Letter to Lynne Calder

[landmannnn]

Tying my shoe laces is hard enough, I'm not lifting those wheels. Not looking forward to ever having to change a wheel, if space, the punctured one will get thrown in the boot when done.

There's a couple of techniques to lifting heavy wheels and saving your back (even if you are throwing it in the boot).

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[Baron von Teuchter]

Yeah they’re heavy! I’ve done it quite a few times, I swap to winters on spare wheels every November. I have a 3.6t scissor lift but I can’t use it for the Ineos due to the shape of the chassis and various protrusions. Really need to get a subframe made for it. It’s a job for the workshop jack each time.

I shudder when I see people putting their spare on the roof - first of all getting it up there and secondly the impact on centre of gravity.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Yeah they’re heavy! I’ve done it quite a few times, I swap to winters on spare wheels every November. I have a 3.6t scissor lift but I can’t use it for the Ineos due to the shape of the chassis and various protrusions. Really need to get a subframe made for it. It’s a job for the workshop jack each time.

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I shudder when I see people putting their spare on the roof - first of all getting it up there and secondly the impact on centre of gravity.

Wondering the same thing - “how in the hell are they going to get that down from there?” I was going to do my own winter swaps - until I found out my local tire shop only charges $120/year for climate-controlled warehouse storage and changes the wheels for me, and then I just said “screw it - that’s a good deal.” I just call about a week or so in advance, they have the wheels ready and waiting, and they do all the work for me - $120.

 

[ECrider]

Wondering the same thing - “how in the hell are they going to get that down from there?” I was going to do my own winter swaps - until I found out my local tire shop only charges $120/year for climate-controlled warehouse storage and changes the wheels for me, and then I just said “screw it - that’s a good deal.” I just call about a week or so in advance, they have the wheels ready and waiting, and they do all the work for me - $120.

that's incredible value

 

[Logsplitter]

Yeah they’re heavy! I’ve done it quite a few times, I swap to winters on spare wheels every November. I have a 3.6t scissor lift but I can’t use it for the Ineos due to the shape of the chassis and various protrusions. Really need to get a subframe made for it. It’s a job for the workshop jack each time.

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I shudder when I see people putting their spare on the roof - first of all getting it up there and secondly the impact on centre of gravity.

I take an extra spare when travelling and have I technique to get it on and off the roof rack. Am almost 64yrs and small stature
To get on the roof I fix my hilift jack hanging over the back of the roof rack. I then use a small pulley (block and tackle to hoist it up. My wife then holds the rope on the pulley until I go on the roof and hoist it up from there. Lowering down is easy as I lift from roof onto rear door mounted spare My wife holds in place while I climb down then between us we can easily lift off from there.
Getting the spare onto the back door I can do by lifting onto tow hitch step before repositioning my grip to lift onto back door.

 

[Zimm]

From Ineos this week…. 90 db is/was the magic number but maybe not now since everything is normal.

Hi Derek,

Thank you very much for contacting INEOS Automotive.

Following your concerns, I reached out to our US technical team to seek approval and clarification regarding the issues raised with your vehicle. They’ve now come back to us, and we can confirm that everything observed is consistent with normal operation for the Grenadier.

Power Steering Noise
The power steering system does produce some noise during regular use, typically in the range of 80–86 decibels. This is completely normal and the same across all Grenadier vehicles. Replacing the pump would not change the noise level, as it is part of the expected operation. That said, I completely understand your concerns, and to offer reassurance, we’d be happy for you to test drive or listen to other vehicles on the lot for comparison.

Climate Control System
As for the climate control, the outside air flap is designed to stay closed when the system is off or set to recirculated air. However, while driving, it automatically opens every 20 minutes to allow fresh air into the cabin—this is a safety feature to prevent carbon dioxide buildup. During this process, some airflow can be felt near the passenger footwell, which again is entirely normal behavior.

I do appreciate your concerns, of course. However, after a thorough review, we can confirm that everything identified is functioning as it should and does not indicate any fault with the vehicle.

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you need any further assistance.

Thanks,

INEOS Grenadier Customer Service

that is 1 kilo of pure uncut unadulterated bullshit.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

that is 1 kilo of pure uncut unadulterated bullshit.

I like to imagine @Zimm with a coke nail

 

[CrazyOldMan]

that's incredible value

It’s not even a specialty shop - just one of the big national chains. I was surprised how inexpensive it was. Makes keeping them in my garage and doing the work seem kinda dumb.

 

[255/85]

Absolutely getting by without it but this is great news. Thank you @Tom D for the advocacy and update.

For what you're doing - or anyone traveling far from their usual haunts - the manual will bring much greater peace of mind and allow for more pleasurable adventure. I'm so glad this is finally happening for everyone.

Yeah as you know, everything gets shared at a place lile this, and things can feel like a major or common issue because squeeky wheels get the most grease.
It’s a bit like crime discussion on a community facebook group. Every little thing makes the pages to the point where you think you have a massive crime problem in your area and that’s all people seem to talk about, when in reality it’s just a few issues flogged to death.

Some people are having a few problems, most of us don’t. But people tend to get noisy about problems and in the main stay silent when things are just fine.
I feel lucky that I haven’t had too many issues and none of them important in the grand scheme of things. But I guarantee that others have had the same issues and really feel put off by them. Such is life, and if we all reacted the same way life would be a bit boring I suppose.

I have never felt that this was a polarized or stratified forum. As you say we all have our varying levels of tolerance for any particular issue experienced but, at the end of the day, the overall goal here has been to get the best out of these vehicles for all involved. Have there been fights and disagreements? Yes, but most folks are still here. That's really quite amazing for a product that didn't exist five years ago and a forum even younger. To me "The Letter" proves it. I think Lynne C. (and hopefully Ineos et al) are beginning to realize this as well.

And since I'm blowing sunshine up everyone's skirt...

Sorry.

I forgive you.

 

[255/85]

Much the same - I'll do some stuff, but I remind myself I'm over 60 and I don't have a lift! Just rotating tyres can be hard physical work.

I have other vehicles with bigger load range E tires and 16" rims but the 17" steelies are surprisingly heavy. Thank god I didn't spec the 18 inchers.

There's also not of free axle space/length with a rolling floor jack under the diffs when doing rotations. It's tough to place jack stands safely due to all the bracketry hanging down.