How to view the Grenadier in todays market?

[255/85]

Yeah -$50K or thereabouts but the Grenadier, as it sits, couldn't have been made for that price even without the minimal electronics. Ineos could've built a direct copy of the OD for that price but you wouldn't be driving one in the US.

 

[CRH]

Yeah -$50K or thereabouts but the Grenadier, as it sits, couldn't have been made for that price even without the minimal electronics. Ineos could've built a direct copy of the OD for that price but you wouldn't be driving one in the US.

Or EU, or UK.

 

[Jeremy996]

Yeah -$50K or thereabouts but the Grenadier, as it sits, couldn't have been made for that price even without the minimal electronics. Ineos could've built a direct copy of the OD for that price but you wouldn't be driving one in the US.

Or EU, or UK.

I have said it before, JLR did Ineos Automotive a huge favour by NOT selling the old Defender line; it was by any definition well past its use by date. The tooling was tired, the build massively manual and the structure wholly inadequate for passing crash tests, rollover tests or even just keeping the water out.
IA now need to consider what the development path is; do they look to add adaptive cruise for the markets that want it? Would enough people pay a premium for it to justify the development, testing and approval costs? The same thought process will have to be rolled out for every other toy that someone might want.

 

[CRH]

I have said it before, JLR did Ineos Automotive a huge favour by NOT selling the old Defender line; it was by any definition well past its use by date. The tooling was tired, the build massively manual and the structure wholly inadequate for passing crash tests, rollover tests or even just keeping the water out.
IA now need to consider what the development path is; do they look to add adaptive cruise for the markets that want it? Would enough people pay a premium for it to justify the development, testing and approval costs? The same thought process will have to be rolled out for every other toy that someone might want.

Hybrid systems are more important if they want to keep selling in Uk after 2030 and Eu after 2035.

 

[Mountain4x4]

You COULD make a truck for 50K, but it would have to be very light duty components. Think IFS front end, chain driven t case, paper thin tie rods, smaller frame, less towing capacity, rack and pinon, plastic bumpers, and so on. The primary cost of this rig is the heavy duty components. Thats why SAS is so expensive. I suppose additionally the volume would need to be higher. Between inflation during Covid and not anticipating how much the heavy duty components would cost explains the price creep.

Rhony Dahl compared what it would take to build a 79 series to the same level aftermarket and came in at a whopping 170k!

 

[OkGo]

I just want to point out that the Land cruiser 250 with an ICE engine sells new for £26,500 in Japan.

 

[OkGo]

You COULD make a truck for 50K, but it would have to be very light duty components. Think IFS front end, chain driven t case, paper thin tie rods, smaller frame, less towing capacity, rack and pinon, plastic bumpers, and so on. The primary cost of this rig is the heavy duty components. Thats why SAS is so expensive. I suppose additionally the volume would need to be higher. Between inflation during Covid and not anticipating how much the heavy duty components would cost explains the price creep.

There is something about the heavy duty components for sure. Ruined by the exceptionally poor quality of bits holding these heavy duty things together.

 

[Jeremy996]

There is something about the heavy duty components for sure. Ruined by the exceptionally poor quality of bits holding these heavy duty things together.

OK, which poor quality bits holding the heavy duty things together?

I don't think even Ineos Automotive would defend the quality of the original software release, but it had little to do with the functioning of the drivetrain and was mostly just irritating, with lots of spurious warnings with associated noises. Can we have a little less hyperbole and a little more analysis?

 

[Mountain4x4]

Must be the frame off a Rock Truck that is poor quality.... Are there silly little things that could be built better or need an engineering revision? Oh for sure. But other then the front drive shaft angles its hard to find something super mission critical. Meanwhile recovery companies are raking in money with modern IFS rigs, broken Jeep and Bronco front ends and the like.

 

[OkGo]

OK, which poor quality bits holding the heavy duty things together?

I don't think even Ineos Automotive would defend the quality of the original software release, but it had little to do with the functioning of the drivetrain and was mostly just irritating, with lots of spurious warnings with associated noises. Can we have a little less hyperbole and a little more analysis?

Perishing rubber from seals holding stuff together. Door sensors, sticking latches.. Drive shaft seals cracking.. low range gear lever falling out.. Poor quality wipers.. snorkels that are not quite sealed up, diff breathers... Rain water ingress..Etc etc lots of small bits that hold the well publicised heavy duty stuff together. Just an example, the real lists are pretty long and you know it.

And even some of the heavy duty stuff isn't, eg the rock sliders and the rusting issue.

On a car that's barely a year old, driven easy and maintained to well within spec.

Somewhat surprised that you are dismissing this as hyperbolic fluff.