How to view the Grenadier in todays market?

[Tenac]

Well fair enough. Mine works perfectly.
Just glad I don't have a ND with triple the number of sensors, huge price and dastardly service costs...in my state!

In my state the cost of the grenny to get oil changed and diff fluids cost twice as much as my Porsche..... Not sure if sensors are the only factor to what makes maintenance $$$. I think that is a whole other topic for sure.

 

[Tazzieman]

In my state the cost of the grenny to get oil changed and diff fluids cost twice as much as my Porsche..... Not sure if sensors are the only factor to what makes maintenance $$$. I think that is a whole other topic for sure.

To be fair, fluids are quite DIY. And you need more fluid!

 

[Tenac]

To be fair, fluids are quite DIY. And you need more fluid!

lol fair but the Porsche is 8.5qts of oil and don't even ask about getting to the air filter the rear convertible top has to come off. hahaha

 

[Tazzieman]

lol fair but the Porsche is 8.5qts of oil and don't even ask about getting to the air filter the rear convertible top has to come off. hahaha

Modern Porsches are not very DIY.
How much diff oil does it take?

 

[Tenac]

Modern Porsches are not very DIY.
How much diff oil does it take?

No clue its just the rear on this one, my Turbo S was AWD... Even a few more qts of oil or fluid should be 400$ more when the hours are 2.5 lower to do the grenny... But I digress that topic would be a larger spin off.

 

[cyson]

This is a very interesting discussion and pertinent for me as I've decided to part ways with my grenadier and I've traded it in for a new defender. Part of the reason for this is health related, a consequence of which is that I'm having to use the grenadier a lot for long distance autoroute travel rather than exploring off piste. The grenadier can do this but it's not at its best in that situation. The other reason is that there are a number of niggles which have become very irksome in my new health mandated 'use case' (e.g. transfer box whine, ADAS bongs which require too many button presses to switch off, slow and randomly glitchy infotainment system, HVAC wackiness, juddering wipers, poor lumbar support, jamming menu buttons exacerbating ADAS frustrations, jamming door buttons, sagging control cables hitting propshaft, poor turning circle, door seals collecting water, the need to seriously slam doors to prevent warning lights, etc). Had I been using the vehicle for 'expeditions' these niggles would not have intruded to the same extent but as things stand I've decided it's time to move on. The defender is equally as computerised as the grenadier but its development is more mature and its systems seem less buggy. It's also much more refined on road which is unfortunately where I'm spending most of my time, so it fits my use case better. Reflecting on the conversation in this thread I think it's not so much an issue with the grenadier it's more that my use case has changed and the grenadier is now sub-optimal for me. Had I been doing much more off road exploring, even if only on gravel, the grenadier would have excelled and it would be a different story. Incidentally one of my reasons for choosing the defender is that there are many aftermarket providers who can go into the vehicle systems and change settings to enable you to permanently switch off the ADAS nanny noises, something not possible at present on the grenadier unless you live in the US. For me the best part of the grenadier is its suspension and the worst part is its software, particularly the human/machine interface. I think there is no escape from computers in modern vehicles and for me that's ok, so long as a) they are 100% reliable and b) the software is properly developed, tested and fit for purpose. The latter is not the case in the grenadier (actually I suspect 90% of the software is fine, it's the 10% that isn't which is irritating). There endeth my twopennethworth

Whenever I hear that someone is moving to a Land Rover because of the glitches in ANY vehicle, I can't help but chuckle just a little bit!

All kidding aside, I sympathize with your need to move to a more comfortable and refined vehicle. I would have a new Defender as well but the LR dealer just made it so hard for me to actually get one back in 2020 so I ended up with a GX. Best of wishes with your new ride!

 

[Mad Hatter]

Time will tell whether it's the right decision or not. I'm not a grenadier knocker, I just wish I was doing the type of trips the grenadier excels at. On a positive note I was overtaken by a dark grenadier on the A85 yesterday. It had a roof tent on top and I got a beep and a lovely wave from the passenger as they flew past me. I only mention it because is the one and only other grenadier I've seen on the road in France in the last 12 months I've owned mine. It made me smile

 

[Mountain4x4]

The more we drive ours, the more we love it. Is it flawed, room for improvement? Of course, what is not flawed. I hope they sit down with owners for before the next refresh and do some amazing things. Frankly, would not cost a lot. But the bottom line is, you should be buying Ineos products for;

1. Extremely well built, essentially one ton gear.
2. Reliability( 2nd best I have ever owned)
3. The Most effective off road vehicle on the market today with god like off road characteristics
4. The Best Overlanding vehicle on the market
5. One the easiest, modern off road vehicles to work on.

Sure we have knocked out over 20,000 miles in our first year sadly, but you should not own one;

1. To look cool, even though you will!
2. If you don't plan to use it off road
3. You don't need a solid front axle vehicle
4. You want more modern, luxury features like massaging seats.

Ineos vehicles are for the 1%, and while 1% of billions of people is a fair number it was very brave to make a vehicle geared towards such a small market. We own 3 vehicles, all solid axles, winch, front lockers and plan to keep it that way with a new Power Wagon coming to replace my high mileage one in the next couple of months, and then replacing my ancient SAS 1996 Montero Overlander with a Quartermaster build in a few years. We don't even live on a paved road, and most hobbies are outdoors based, so we are special case for sure. Back from 10 days in the wilderness for a week, and back out again for Moab in a Week. A NEW Defender on the other hand is a luxury street car designed for around town and luxurious road trips. None of the 5 points at the top apply to a Defender for instance, or most any new 4x4.

 

[OkGo]

I think large part of the problem is that many people here disagree that the top 5 items apply to the Grenadier either.

 

[abbeyroad]

1. Extremely well built, essentially one ton gear. [Agreed, the mechanical bones are tried and true, but I'd love to see an objective hardware comparison to others in its class to truly see what's underneath]
2. Reliability( 2nd best I have ever owned) [Time will tell]
3. The Most effective off road vehicle on the market today with god like off road characteristics [Bronco Raptor will run circles around it]
4. The Best Overlanding vehicle on the market [Ok?]
5. One the easiest, modern off road vehicles to work on. [Sourcing parts is third world compared to Toyota; time will tell]

Sure we have knocked out over 20,000 miles in our first year sadly, but you should not own one;

1. To look cool, even though you will! [Guilty as charged]
2. If you don't plan to use it off road [I use it 99% for LA urban jungle duty just fine]
3. You don't need a solid front axle vehicle [99.9% of IG owners can get away with a G Wagon, Toyota GX550, current gen Defender just fine]
4. You want more modern, luxury features like massaging seats.[The less Kardashian the better for me, but I'd love to have adaptive cruise]