How to view the Grenadier in todays market?

[Tenac]

Well fair enough. Mine works perfectly.
Just glad I don't have a ND with triple the number of sensors, huge price and dastardly service costs...in my state!

In my state the cost of the grenny to get oil changed and diff fluids cost twice as much as my Porsche..... Not sure if sensors are the only factor to what makes maintenance $$$. I think that is a whole other topic for sure.

 

[Tazzieman]

In my state the cost of the grenny to get oil changed and diff fluids cost twice as much as my Porsche..... Not sure if sensors are the only factor to what makes maintenance $$$. I think that is a whole other topic for sure.

To be fair, fluids are quite DIY. And you need more fluid!

 

[Tenac]

To be fair, fluids are quite DIY. And you need more fluid!

lol fair but the Porsche is 8.5qts of oil and don't even ask about getting to the air filter the rear convertible top has to come off. hahaha

 

[Tazzieman]

lol fair but the Porsche is 8.5qts of oil and don't even ask about getting to the air filter the rear convertible top has to come off. hahaha

Modern Porsches are not very DIY.
How much diff oil does it take?

 

[Tenac]

Modern Porsches are not very DIY.
How much diff oil does it take?

No clue its just the rear on this one, my Turbo S was AWD... Even a few more qts of oil or fluid should be 400$ more when the hours are 2.5 lower to do the grenny... But I digress that topic would be a larger spin off.

 

[cyson]

This is a very interesting discussion and pertinent for me as I've decided to part ways with my grenadier and I've traded it in for a new defender. Part of the reason for this is health related, a consequence of which is that I'm having to use the grenadier a lot for long distance autoroute travel rather than exploring off piste. The grenadier can do this but it's not at its best in that situation. The other reason is that there are a number of niggles which have become very irksome in my new health mandated 'use case' (e.g. transfer box whine, ADAS bongs which require too many button presses to switch off, slow and randomly glitchy infotainment system, HVAC wackiness, juddering wipers, poor lumbar support, jamming menu buttons exacerbating ADAS frustrations, jamming door buttons, sagging control cables hitting propshaft, poor turning circle, door seals collecting water, the need to seriously slam doors to prevent warning lights, etc). Had I been using the vehicle for 'expeditions' these niggles would not have intruded to the same extent but as things stand I've decided it's time to move on. The defender is equally as computerised as the grenadier but its development is more mature and its systems seem less buggy. It's also much more refined on road which is unfortunately where I'm spending most of my time, so it fits my use case better. Reflecting on the conversation in this thread I think it's not so much an issue with the grenadier it's more that my use case has changed and the grenadier is now sub-optimal for me. Had I been doing much more off road exploring, even if only on gravel, the grenadier would have excelled and it would be a different story. Incidentally one of my reasons for choosing the defender is that there are many aftermarket providers who can go into the vehicle systems and change settings to enable you to permanently switch off the ADAS nanny noises, something not possible at present on the grenadier unless you live in the US. For me the best part of the grenadier is its suspension and the worst part is its software, particularly the human/machine interface. I think there is no escape from computers in modern vehicles and for me that's ok, so long as a) they are 100% reliable and b) the software is properly developed, tested and fit for purpose. The latter is not the case in the grenadier (actually I suspect 90% of the software is fine, it's the 10% that isn't which is irritating). There endeth my twopennethworth

Whenever I hear that someone is moving to a Land Rover because of the glitches in ANY vehicle, I can't help but chuckle just a little bit!

All kidding aside, I sympathize with your need to move to a more comfortable and refined vehicle. I would have a new Defender as well but the LR dealer just made it so hard for me to actually get one back in 2020 so I ended up with a GX. Best of wishes with your new ride!