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Hello from Hesse / Rhine Main Area Germany.

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> Roe is somewhat boring

Not if it comes to eating. :)

The classical way: Roe with potato dumplings pimped with some wild cranberries and red cabbage. Mmhhh! (y)

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Because we don't eat that much roast meat, I let the butcher make wild bratwurst with roe deer, wild boar and pork belly from time to time. That tastes great and is made quickly.
 

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It has pros and cons.

The cons are for the shoppers, obviously.
The pros however protect the sunday as the only day in the week where people can relax together with their family.
 

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It has pros and cons.

The cons are for the shoppers, obviously.
The pros however protect the sunday as the only day in the week where people can relax together with their family.
Work life balance is extremely important. We work to pay for our life not the other way around.
Sunday allows us to walk around the car yards and look at all the vehicles, exterior and through the windows, without salesmen trying a hard sell.
As car yards are usually all grouped together it makes it good for a park and walk around scenario
 

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Welcome aboard Klaus, love the chat and emax's idea of the boar but here in Australia I dought that we would have that chance to take the car without an agency person with us. And it depends on where you are, you would not need a high hide because the boars will just run out of the scrub in front of you or you could also end up taking a kangaroo back on the bonnet...it does happen. Hopefully, the Grenadier ticks all the boxes, mine has until proved otherwise...it is all in the pudding, emax...cheers.
 

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That's Germany.
Rather Workers Unions. and certain church officials were lobbying for this.
Politics follows lobbying. Same for vehicles.
The green anti SUV, 4WD and other topics called mommy with SUV to school, City "Tank" etc. Mommy bringing children with a RR, Tahoe or Suburban, Hummer to school.
Next with a Grenadier perhaps? Unlikely. Its far too purpose built and lacks some city convenient sensors.. adding some work to natural sensors & senses attached to driver (brain, eyes & ears)

I do not want to get political, - but some communities and others intended to extend opening hours to late night and all day in Germany too. As I am in a 50+ age I remember while I was at University in late 80 when discussion on extended Thursday started.. Special opening hours on certain Sundays like Elvis Festival in Bad Nauheim (remembering Elvis Presley did part of military service in Friedberg / Hesse close by) etc. No. I worked in IRL, UK and there was always the chance to go shopping and shops decided most of their opening and closing hours. (except some bank holidays) Germany is over regulated..
 

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Though I in general agree to your arguments and I have always been convinced of self-regulation of the market, I have changed my mind a bit. I am now 65 years old, and have had a quite exciting professional life.

And in the past two decades I had to acknowledge that 'the market' in Germany has in many respects just become a club of global players which dictate what's happening. If we had a world of reasonable educated and fairly paid sales persons, the market would for sure not open the shops 24/7 because such staff just was to expensive for the partially minimal revenues you will have on e.g. Sundays if your shop is open.

But what we see in shops today are underpaid uneducated workers without social benefits who do their job for any money - because they simply don't want to peg out. There is no "market" anymore. It's just a modern kind of slavery. That's why the lobbyists are calling for immigration: An infinite pool of slaves which work for an apple and an egg.

I have never been a fan of the unions, but I am more and more afraid that there is hardly something which we need more than the unions - unfortunately. Otherwise society will sooner or later end in barbarism.

And I am by far (BY FAR!) not politically left.

I don't want over-regulation. But I think there should be a last refuge of humanity and some protection from economisation of all 24 hours and seven days of the week.
 
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It has pros and cons.

The cons are for the shoppers, obviously.
The pros however protect the sunday as the only day in the week where people can relax together with their family.
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It's obvious that your age is already somewhat advanced. It is not true that Sunday is the only day on which you can do something together with your family. Modern companies make New Work possible for their employees. This means, that I can also do something with my family during the week and organise my working hours accordingly. The results achieved are usually better than with rigid working time models. The combination of work and leisure time will be necessary due to increasingly fluctuating workloads in companies. This must also be in the minds of our ageing workforce. Only in this way will we be able to work economically in the long run. I look forward to trips with my Grenadier, especially during the week. Since it is usually emptier in the country. Guys enjoy your time with your Grenadier according to my new motto: "2nd half of ONE LIFE, LIVE IT, too."
 

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> This means, that I can also do something with my family during the week

I don't doubt that such models help in the respective employment.

But this is by no means comparable with a common day of repose. First of all, it doesn' help if I have a free day: my friends don't. My children, adult and employed, neither have, and their children have to go to school. The streets are crowded and there is a rush hour as usual.

As long as you're young your perception will perhaps be different. But when we had the lockdowns here (though in general I wasn't fond of them), life got in some way a different, a better quality with respect to the feeling of what a day was like.

And by the way: On the other hand, we already have many exceptions from the so called work-free Sundays: The regular ones, such as petrol stations, police, firefighters, shift workers, hospitals and emergency services. And the exemptions like 'sales-Sundays', fairs, markets of many kind and many other things.

To be clear: I am not politically driven in that matter.

I am, as many others, in a way driven by an increasing exhaustion because everything around us gets more and more mercilessly geared towards economization, profit and doing business. Hundreds of planes fly over our villages during the day (quite low because we are only a 4-minute flight from Frankfurt airport), night flights get more and more permits, there are increasingly more and more trucks on the streets even on Sundays (all 'exceptions'), and basically there is hardly any opportunity to shape your life without all this hustle and bustle.

In a country with 240 people per square kilometer, and this is of course very different from e.g. Australia, you experience all that, including the noise it creates, quite intensely. I think that exhausts people. We have never had so many illnesses, burnouts and suicides, and I believe that this also has something to do with the total economic 'permanent optimization' of our existence. It keeps squeezing you.

Quite apart from that: What, apart from police and infrastructure, can I buy or deliver or work on a Sunday that I couldn't do any other day ?

I know that young people have different priorities than older people. And I was younger once and was just like that.

But now I am older.
 
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Getting back from hunting and sunday working (which I really hate when I have to) to topic.
I'm from assmonkeycastle (Aschaffenburg😉) and had contact to Krah& Enders this spring too. Is there meanwhile a specific salesman for the IG? I didn't find anything on the homepage. I'd like to have a contact to arrange a test-drive when possible.
 

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Getting back from hunting and sunday working (which I really hate when I have to) to topic.
I'm from assmonkeycastle (Aschaffenburg😉) and had contact to Krah& Enders this spring too. Is there meanwhile a specific salesman for the IG? I didn't find anything on the homepage. I'd like to have a contact to arrange a test-drive when possible.
Hi McPharmer,

I did have contact with Mr. Anselment, he is the Grenadier guy at Krah & Enders. Find his contacts here:


Cheers,
Christoph
 

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Just checked out the contacts page: Several people there do now have a Grenadier logo next to their name - but not Mr. Anselment ... maybe things have changed.
 

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I must confess, I didn´t checked the homepage for a while. Thanks so far!
 

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It was Mr. Anselment which was in holidays until today, and now he is not listed any more as a Grenadier contact person. When I was there last week, I was at Mr. Niklas (or Nikolas? not sure about the spelling) which is not on the Maintal website at all.

Now it's Mr. Gudowius and I already heared of him in May/June as a Grenadier contact person. Mr. Jedlicsek is the head of service and thus of course listed as a BMW and Grenadier contact person.

Mr. Horn as the CEO is of course tagged with 'Grenadier', but that's a formal thing as he's responsible for everything.
 

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All very experienced BMW 4x4 specialists, I'm sure.
Sorry, but I get the feeling that everyone theoretically knows how to do it. And they also sell and service the Grenadier on the side. I'm rather put off by that. But the choice of dealer or workshop is up to everyone.
 

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> All very experienced BMW 4x4 specialists, I'm sure.

I guess you're kidding.

Of course they aren't. But choosing a car dealership is not really a choice at first. You have the choice between a nearby or a less nearby BMW dealer. And that's it - at least in Germany and for the time being.

When it comes to maintenance I think the motor and electronics are the most critical part. And this is where BMW dealers shine: they have the tools and the skills. To the extent that technical knowledge of 4x4 mechanics is required, they may not be the ideal choice.

But when I have to choose between an experienced 4x4 workshop that knows about axles, suspensions and all of the typical 4x4 parts in a car, and on the other hand an experienced workshop that has the experts on engine and electronics issues, a BMW dealer is probably the better choice.

Otherwise I will do a lot myself and/or visit a workshop that will help me or repair something completely.

To me there is no point in having an excellent tractor or 4x4 workshop if they have never heard of an OBD interface or don't have the diagnostic tools and knowledge nor even know how to change the oil in a ZF automatic transmission.

But I might of course miss something and maybe you have a better solution?
 

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> All very experienced BMW 4x4 specialists, I'm sure.

I guess you're kidding.

Of course they aren't. But choosing a car dealership is not really a choice at first. You have the choice between a nearby or a less nearby BMW dealer. And that's it - at least in Germany and for the time being.

When it comes to maintenance I think the motor and electronics are the most critical part. And this is where BMW dealers shine: they have the tools and the skills. To the extent that technical knowledge of 4x4 mechanics is required, they may not be the ideal choice.

But when I have to choose between an experienced 4x4 workshop that knows about axles, suspensions and all of the typical 4x4 parts in a car, and on the other hand an experienced workshop that has the experts on engine and electronics issues, a BMW dealer is probably the better choice.

Otherwise I will do a lot myself and/or visit a workshop that will help me or repair something completely.

To me there is no point in having an excellent tractor or 4x4 workshop if they have never heard of an OBD interface or don't have the diagnostic tools and knowledge nor even know how to change the oil in a ZF automatic transmission.

But I might of course miss something and maybe you have a better solution?
Of course, this was not meant seriously.
When I see workshop foremen who wear a tie, I already know.
There are very good small workshops that are very familiar with BMW engines and of course have diagnostic equipment. I would definitely prefer such a workshop to the big companies, whose invoices are much more expensive so that the boss can pay for the showroom, the cappuccino and his 7 Series. Just for comparison: I drive about 1.5 hours to my Land Rover workshop and the guys know what they're doing. I give the modern JLR dealerships a wide berth. But again, everyone chooses the garage that suits them and that can be two. One for the BMW engine and one for 4x4 matters.
And one more thing: in my workshop I can be present during the wrenching process, all the time. I doubt that this is possible at a large BMW workshop.
 

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While I indeed agree with your point of view, you are missing an important fact: it is Ineos who define which dealers/garages/services are accepted as warranty compliant.

So my question for a better solution is still open. If you have one, I'm happy to follow it.
 
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My dealer is a mixed brand dealer with Volvo, Peugot and LandRover. It is located as near as I could wish. They know enough about 4x4 and about OBD interface. Does that solution fit? Or is it the worst mixture of high (brand) prices and not enough special knowledge?
 
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