Fusilier On Hold???

[LabRat]

Or better still just carry a generator and fuel in the car boot. And a roof top tent to take a nap whilst it charges for the day. There. Solved.

Actually hybrids were the way to go, but no, had to be all or nothing.

 

[LeeroyJ]

As to point #3 above - ICE will only be gone if politically mandated so or if politically taxed out of existence. It would be stupid to get rid of ICE and then rely only on one type of powered transportation and pretty sure we will need fossil fuel for tanks and airplanes for a long long time.

As to point #1 above - So what? Venture Capitalist came come up with huge sums for investing purposes. Heck, let the Chinese forge ahead with EV's and then we can just steal their technology like they have stolen ours.

Yeah ICE vehicles will still be around the same way horse-drawn carriages and steam engine trains are now.

 

[LeeroyJ]

Actually hybrids were the way to go, but no, had to be all or nothing.

For long distance off roading or long distance trucking, either hybrids or "range extenders" or fuel cell electric vehicles are the solution with modern technology.

 

[LabRat]

Yeah ICE vehicles will still be around the same way horse-drawn carriages and steam engine trains are now.

As someone that lives among the Amish, not everything new and shinny is good.

 

[LC0013]

Yeah ICE vehicles will still be around the same way horse-drawn carriages and steam engine trains are

Eventually yes, 50 years or so. Unless 1/2 of all drivers go EV then perhaps 100 years! Heck, might not be any Humanity left in 100 years...

 

[Max]

not everything new and shinny is good.

We are still being coerced into buying throw away white goods but now they have wheels.

Fortunately I can still buy things to last but research is necessary and you have to pay...the old idiom, You get what you pay for will live on forever and hopefully our Speed Queen washing machine will see us out, 35years young and still shaking the old Queensland timber home.

What about the Fusilier? I would be interested because I like the modern thinking that the Ineos culture brings.

 

[RY-Journeyman]

Yeah ICE vehicles will still be around the same way horse-drawn carriages and steam engine trains are now.

More likely in the short term perhaps is hydrogen ICE.

 

[RY-Journeyman]

Or if we need long range power then why not nuclear. It works for our long range space probes and submarines, so why not on the ground.

Ford Nucleon (1957):
The most famous concept, the Nucleon, imagined a car powered by a small, miniature nuclear reactor in the rear, similar to those used in nuclear submarines. The reactor would heat water to create steam, which would then drive a steam engine.

There were a number of other similar ones too back in the day. Maybe steam engines aren’t dead after all !!

Now imagine a nuclear powered grenadier. Endless range. No refueling. What a beast.

 

[AngusMacG]

Searching on Google, I am unable to find anywhere in California (or in the US as a whole) that mandates restrictions on when you can charge your EV. There may be recommendations, but I can't find any mandates. There are utilities that have different rates at certain times of the day to encourage you to charge at specific times, but I can't find any cases where you are not allowed to charge at any time.

Easy Google search shows this as the first hit…Newsweek article

 

[Gaffer]

I like the idea of an electric car. My son has a Tesla and it is impressive in many ways. But I am only going to have one car so it has to do everything. It's got to haul like a pickup, drive hundreds of miles per day, carry toddlers, dress up for evenings out and go off the road when I wish to. So, Grenadier it is.

 

[Dokatd]

I like the idea of an electric car. My son has a Tesla and it is impressive in many ways. But I am only going to have one car so it has to do everything. It's got to haul like a pickup, drive hundreds of miles per day, carry toddlers, dress up for evenings out and go off the road when I wish to. So, Grenadier it is.

Rivian R1T would do the job well too. Probably better in 90+% of your use cases.

 

[Gaffer]

Rivian R1T would do the job well too. Probably better in 90+% of your use cases.

I take your point but, for it to work for me, it has to be 100%. Oh, one more thing, it has to fit in the garage. The Grenadier fits, but just barely.

 

[LeeroyJ]

Easy Google search shows this as the first hit…Newsweek article

"In a news release, the California ISO said it expects that it will issue calls for voluntary conservation of electricity through Flex alerts over the long weekend" Not a ban....

 

[LeeroyJ]

More likely in the short term perhaps is hydrogen ICE.

No one has been successful at making a successful product off of hydrogen fuel cell EV's, yet. They add a ton of complexity and expense for very little benefit.

 

[Dokatd]

I take your point but, for it to work for me, it has to be 100%. Oh, one more thing, it has to fit in the garage. The Grenadier fits, but just barely.

To be fair I was just going easy. The Rivian would almost certainly do everything you need plus some. That said I don't know you so I could be wrong. The Rivian really does fit a lot of missions these days. Comparatively the lightning and Cybertruck does not and fit more along the lines of the Hummer EV just not as fun maybe. I really think EV's are starting to come in line with ICE. It's really just a matter of how remote you go. But these days you have to be getting pretty remote to not find some method of charging.

 

[LC0013]

"In a news release, the California ISO said it expects that it will issue calls for voluntary conservation of electricity through Flex alerts over the long weekend" Not a ban....

https://californiaglobe.com/articles/california-backlash-over-telling-californians-not-to-charge-electric-vehicles-during-heatwave/:

Within California, many who opposed the 2035 ban quickly pointed out all the flaws leading to electric cars being praised one day then the state asking people not to charge them the next.

“This is a glimpse into America’s future. It certainly is a glimpse into one path,” said former California Assemblyman Chuck DeVore on Thursday. ” I would argue it’s the wrong path, but look at this issue with the electric vehicles. I think it’s very interesting that California only has 600,000 electric vehicles on the road today out of about 20 million or so operational. If they ban internal combustion engines, you’re looking at about 2 million new electric vehicles a year and they can’t even handle 600,000. You’re looking at about 14% of California’s grid dedicated to electric vehicles when people come home from working. And if all those cars charge at the same time, that’s about one-seventh of what the grid is requiring to operate in those evening hours where things are real tight. I think we’re getting a glimpse into the future if we go all-electric and people are just constantly underestimating the enormous amount of electricity needed to make this happen.”

Nationally, California was also ridiculed by many prominent lawmakers, including House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA) who tweeted out that “California is now telling people to ‘avoid using large appliances and charging electric vehicles’ from 4-9pm. This from the same state that’s going to force everyone to buy electric cars by 2035. This is what Democrat control looks like—and they want it nationwide. What a joke.”

 

[Gaffer]

To be fair I was just going easy. The Rivian would almost certainly do everything you need plus some. That said I don't know you so I could be wrong. The Rivian really does fit a lot of missions these days. Comparatively the lightning and Cybertruck does not and fit more along the lines of the Hummer EV just not as fun maybe. I really think EV's are starting to come in line with ICE. It's really just a matter of how remote you go. But these days you have to be getting pretty remote to not find some method of charging.

In principle, I am not closed to the idea of an electric vehicle. In fact, before the Grenadier, I was reading about the Bollinger. But one of my threshold must-haves is the ability to drive 600 miles of major highway in 10 hours.

 

[Dokatd]

In principle, I am not closed to the idea of an electric vehicle. In fact, before the Grenadier, I was reading about the Bollinger. But one of my threshold must-haves is the ability to drive 600 miles of major highway in 10 hours.

Ooophhh, that's pretty close to being doable now. My wife's new Rivian gets a shade over 400mi per charge which if you operate in the 10% to 80% range I can make Albuquerque which is 650mi in 10.5hr.

 

[landmannnn]

https://californiaglobe.com/articles/california-backlash-over-telling-californians-not-to-charge-electric-vehicles-during-heatwave/:

Within California, many who opposed the 2035 ban quickly pointed out all the flaws leading to electric cars being praised one day then the state asking people not to charge them the next.

“This is a glimpse into America’s future. It certainly is a glimpse into one path,” said former California Assemblyman Chuck DeVore on Thursday. ” I would argue it’s the wrong path, but look at this issue with the electric vehicles. I think it’s very interesting that California only has 600,000 electric vehicles on the road today out of about 20 million or so operational. If they ban internal combustion engines, you’re looking at about 2 million new electric vehicles a year and they can’t even handle 600,000. You’re looking at about 14% of California’s grid dedicated to electric vehicles when people come home from working. And if all those cars charge at the same time, that’s about one-seventh of what the grid is requiring to operate in those evening hours where things are real tight. I think we’re getting a glimpse into the future if we go all-electric and people are just constantly underestimating the enormous amount of electricity needed to make this happen.”

Nationally, California was also ridiculed by many prominent lawmakers, including House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA) who tweeted out that “California is now telling people to ‘avoid using large appliances and charging electric vehicles’ from 4-9pm. This from the same state that’s going to force everyone to buy electric cars by 2035. This is what Democrat control looks like—and they want it nationwide. What a joke.”

Electricity peak demand management is complex.

In the developed world the peak demand is 4pm to 9pm. The way to manage that is turn on a number of natural gas power stations in that period. There is some hydro and battery to help a bit.

California, like many countries, has set a renewables target. The higher the 4pm to 9pm peak means more fossil fuels and less renewables.

So reducing the peak means the self imposed targets are easier to achieve.

Absolutely correct, politics at play.

 

[Gaffer]

Ooophhh, that's pretty close to being doable now. My wife's new Rivian gets a shade over 400mi per charge which if you operate in the 10% to 80% range I can make Albuquerque which is 650mi in 10.5hr.

Yes, pretty close. Perhaps someday soon. But it's not there yet.

Impressive Albuquerque results. What is your highest speed limit for your trip?