Americas Front Driveshaft CV redesign

[Commodore]

Ineos crew, there is an issue with the front driveshaft CV at the transfer case side. The acute driveline angle generates heat causing the rubber on the CV to rip and spill grease. This leads to failure of the CV joint and ultimately immediate loss of forward propulsion. The failures have been well documented. Do you have plans to redesign this part or should owners start looking for their own permanent solutions?

This is a serious safety concern that needs to be resolved.

 

[CRH]

Have you told her yet?

yes, she was ok with it, owned for about 15 years, she did cry the other week when we sold her Cayman she had owned for 12 years

 

[Clark Kent]

If i put on the HD springs the driveline is out of warranty anyway. i trying to figure out if i'm better off replacing the joint with the rzeppa joint ahead of a potential failure. choices, choices.

It's hard to know. A quick Google of Teraflex CV failures will find reports from the Jeep community so there's still no guarantee you won't be back under your truck. If all other factors are equal, the Teraflex is easier to replace.

 

[Tazzieman]

Sold the wife's 67 Fiat 850 spider yesterday. The dealer could barely fit all the spares on his truck, I then started to tidy the garage and found more, and I know there are some in the shed
I am not starting again with the Grenadier!

Local FB marketplace; not much is shifting in the past 3 years it seems

 

[Logsplitter]

I'm not clear on what your first sentence is asking. If you're looking for the part number then it is widely documented on this forum. As for the circlip, that issue has seemingly only been a very small select few trucks at best. The boot issue is very much separate and more wide spread. In these cases I have not seen a report of a loose clip. A loose clip will result in driveshaft separation almost immediately after the boot gives way. I would suggest that there might be quite a few ticking time bombs due to clips, but poor fitment of the clip is likely on par with winning the lottery.

I’ve won the lottery.

 

[Tazzieman]

View attachment 7902714I’ve won the lottery.

How much was the ticket?

 

[Logsplitter]

How much was the ticket?

About £65k as I remember.

 

[Tazzieman]

About £65k as I remember.

So I'm still in the draw? Where is the feeling lucky emoji?

 

[CRH]

So I'm still in the draw? Where is the feeling lucky emoji?

isn't that the aubergine, or egg plant!! as our friends like to call it

 

[Tazzieman]

isn't that the aubergine, or egg plant!! as our friends like to call it

After a bushfire ripped around our newly built house in '97 the fire dept issued a brochure about replanting with fireproof plants.
Including eggplant.
To this day we fantasize about an eggplant belt surrounding our property.
On a sun facing hillside in very compacted thin soil near Australia's 2nd driest capital

 

[CRH]

After a bushfire ripped around our newly built house in '97 the fire dept issued a brochure about replanting with fireproof plants.
Including eggplant.
To this day we fantasize about an eggplant belt surrounding our property.
On a sun facing hillside in very compacted thin soil near Australia's 2nd driest capital

I'm confused, egg plant belt, is that some form of orgy ?

 

[Tazzieman]

I'm confused, egg plant belt, is that some form of orgy ?

As they say, an eggplant in hand is worth two in the bush.
It started with an innocent CV joint , yet look where we are now

 

[Disco Dave]

Sold the wife's 67 Fiat 850 spider yesterday. The dealer could barely fit all the spares on his truck, I then started to tidy the garage and found more, and I know there are some in the shed
I am not starting again with the Grenadier!

Did the same with my Disco 2, sold it with a boot full of spares - expensive spares.

 

[Dokatd]

If i put on the HD springs the driveline is out of warranty anyway. i trying to figure out if i'm better off replacing the joint with the rzeppa joint ahead of a potential failure. choices, choices.

How so? In the USA your warranty is protected. The manufacturer is faced with the burden of proof that any modification or series of modifications has done something to cause damage. This can be very difficult for a manufacturer if you actually speak up. Maybe not worth it, but still you have options.

 

[parb]

From what I've been told, the manufacturer will show that the lift make the driveshaft angle entering the joint out of spec and that is the basis for the denial of warranty.

 

[Dokatd]

From what I've been told, the manufacturer will show that the lift make the driveshaft angle entering the joint out of spec and that is the basis for the denial of warranty.

Well it's a valid reason to deny a blown CV boot, but not to void the whole driveline all together. The joint itself is still within operating spec and should not cause say pinion failure or T-case output flange failure. Now throwing a Ujoint shaft from Agile very well might void it all.

 

[Rossh36]

Ineos crew, there is an issue with the front driveshaft CV at the transfer case side. The acute driveline angle generates heat causing the rubber on the CV to rip and spill grease. This leads to failure of the CV joint and ultimately immediate loss of forward propulsion. The failures have been well documented. Do you have plans to redesign this part or should owners start looking for their own permanent solutions?

This is a serious safety concern that needs to be resolved.

Ineos are working on a cv with thicker rubber and more strength as during a pseudo Ineos AMA to the Victorian Ineos 4x4 club down here in Australia.

 

[Clark Kent]

Ineos are working on a cv with thicker rubber and more strength as during a pseudo Ineos AMA to the Victorian Ineos 4x4 club down here in Australia.

Yesterday I read on here that IA are working on an improved HVAC, with a suggestion that it might even be a retrofit. Today I read that they're working on an improved CV. I just had my regular coffee catch-up with my own agent and shared that if there's one thing hurting sales more than anything else it's the lack of communication from IA on their remediation plan for the issues that owners are most cranky about. The level of frustration in the chatter is driving away prospective customers. Ultimately we'll all lose out if the tide doesn't turn. It's great that engineering is busy with fixes but where's the messenger?

 

[Rossh36]

Yesterday I read on here that IA are working on an improved HVAC, with a suggestion that it might even be a retrofit. Today I read that they're working on an improved CV. I just had my regular coffee catch-up with my own agent and shared that if there's one thing hurting sales more than anything else it's the lack of communication from IA on their remediation plan for the issues that owners are most cranky about. The level of frustration in the chatter is driving away prospective customers. Ultimately we'll all lose out if the tide doesn't turn. It's great that engineering is busy with fixes but where's the messenger?

my dealer has complained about this too, it’s marketing 101. After a career in blue chip product management, it frustrates me to no end that the Ineos can’t get its comms together at a global level then customise it at market level. In b school parlance, it’s called “glocalisation”.

It’s very volunteered to be in their stand at a large 4x4 show so hopefully I’ll spend some time and get in the marketing teams ears.

 

[Rossh36]

I’ve volunteered, it should say.

 

[Shoogs]

Well it's a valid reason to deny a blown CV boot, but not to void the whole driveline all together. The joint itself is still within operating spec and should not cause say pinion failure or T-case output flange failure. Now throwing a Ujoint shaft from Agile very well might void it all.

Considering my dealer offers the Eibach lift off the showroom floor, I find it odd they can deny warranty.

I have had the lift for the last 40000kms, no issues.