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Finally some news - video - Production update January 2023

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Unfortunately, there are too many off-topic discussions currently unfolding in this forum making searching and looking under a topic/headline seriously difficult. Please just let us have these in the therefore provided sections of the forum. Thanks
 
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I should clarify ... Not specifically emissions, but the rating requirements of mpg. I'm still researching it, but I don't know how they can meet current fleet requirements much less than the new mandates unless they electrify (yuck) or the hydrogen comes to fruition.
I'm curious about that too. Seems to the Gren is more of a "yesterday's car" when it comes to fuel consumption than what legislators/regulators would be aiming for.

True, you can still buy a Bentley or a supercar with poor mileage. Perhaps those manufacturers are grandfathered or the annual unit sales fall under a threshold, IDK.

So, you really think Ineos won't be able to import vehicles to the US? That would be nuts after all the work they've done in the NA market.
I think USA market is a calculated risk (as they all are to some degree). Have no idea if they always fully intended to sell there or not. But I don't think the reception they have received has hurt the project. Imagine if they did the tour and had only 2-300 reservations result. That might have hurt the whole project. As it is I believe they've gained useful feedback, market info and publicity on the vehicle.

Would this website for eg exist if there was no US market ? Is there another similar website elsewhere, I reallyDK. Similarly will they USA auto press contribute to spreading the word worldwide. Again, IDK but it beams into my country for one.

If the US Domestics are having difficulties selling autos I imagine they could make it tough for IA. Or maybe IA will sail through. Who knows, things change, nothing is guaranteed.

At this point there might be a loss to IA if they pull out but I not sure how big of a loss.
 
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Sorry. Didn't watch the vid, so guess shouldn't be here.

I'm in a "don't call us, we'll call you" mode.

One day I might get an email. Then go from there.
 

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I watched this video several times and had to parse it a bit. “Batch and hold” is their business term for what sounds like “inconsistent quality control checks”. That is not to say “quality problems”. It seems they’ve run into a problem/bottleneck with final quality assurance. There’s a lot riding on that and she expresses that very well. That HAD to be a stressful time to take over as CEO. Yes, this message should have come sooner and been more in depth; however, I am going to allow it (lol). Let them make sure their Quality Assurance folks have their heads around it fully.
Message to Ms Calder if you’re reading “here’s your chance to follow through on your promised communication. Daily if you have to, but do not go another week without follow up. The customers you need are not the mouth breathing Tik Tokers that your predecessor seemed to be counting on. Use your words and trust us to pay attention”
 

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I watched this video several times and had to parse it a bit. “Batch and hold” is their business term for what sounds like “inconsistent quality control checks”. That is not to say “quality problems”. It seems they’ve run into a problem/bottleneck with final quality assurance. There’s a lot riding on that and she expresses that very well. That HAD to be a stressful time to take over as CEO. Yes, this message should have come sooner and been more in depth; however, I am going to allow it (lol). Let them make sure their Quality Assurance folks have their heads around it fully.
Message to Ms Calder if you’re reading “here’s your chance to follow through on your promised communication. Daily if you have to, but do not go another week without follow up. The customers you need are not the mouth breathing Tik Tokers that your predecessor seemed to be counting on. Use your words and trust us to pay attention”
Capital projects (in oil & gas/downstream, Ineos’ core industry) normally have a specialist team from initiation through to first production.

While those teams strive to get everything sorted, the nature of interdependencies and sheer complexity make that impossible. Some implementation ‘debt’ is therefore carried through into the first months/years of operation.

Accordingly a ‘mezzanine’ structure is put in place that bridges first production to steady state. During this stage, the project personnel are progressively replaced with the long-term workforce. An equivalent executive transition also occurs. All normal stuff, noone’s getting sacked. You just need different skill sets.

In automotive, first production comes with a global model launch. You want to carefully orchestrate the first exposure of industry media by presenting the vehicle and brand in a favourable light, doing what it does best and all smoothed over with generous hospitality. Nice hotels, great opportunities for photos. Careful curation all round.

Delivering vehicles to customers before such an event would see you lose control of the narrative while alienating the professional media by allowing them to be trumped to the headline by any muppet with an iPhone and a YouTube account.

Not unreasonable therefore to delay deliveries until after the launch. Once the media attending the launch have published you’re off and running.

Only problem is those customers who were awaiting their cars on some timing promised by the project team but impossible in reality… what to say to them… can’t say there’s a problem with the car because that will poison the launch. Can’t say you held their cars back for marketing reasons because they’d be furious.

Best course of action? Go light on details and use the time to be certain the first products delivered are as good as you can make them.
 

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Well said! An excellent summary of "the state of play".
Thanks @DenisM, noting I‘m just another speculator… let’s see what the press has to say about the vehicle.
Nice to see a female CEO - and a Scot, what’s more. Good on Ineos.
 

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It seems that Phase 1 countries are the only ones receiving the communications. Did anyone in the US receive an email? I can somewhat understand why, but it would be nice if all reservation holders were kept in the loop.
Nope !
 
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Called in to Sandicliffe Nottingham this afternoon and had a good look around the outside of their first customer car. I would say the quality has improved over PTO3 cars quite noticeably, though the car was quite dirty so I couldn't get a great feel for the improvement of paint quality. A look underneath shows the chassis to be really well wax treated, something I haven't noticed on the pre production cars. It is a lightly specced diesel commercial to be delivered to a lucky chap locally and supposedly registered on the 17th. Certificate of conformity on the passenger seat shows a build date of 12/12/22. Sadly no more news on my build just yet.
 

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Good "detecting" JOB, well done.
 
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