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Do I like the Grenadier: Short Term 1200km/week Notes

trobex

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EDIT: VIN no. is a 004500s and 1946 SW.

So, I am sure one of the 1st questions us owners will ask ourselves almost immediately is: Do I really like my Gren? Not gonna lie, I do.
Does it have some obvious issues/flaws - sure does.
Does it remain appetising after a 1200kms+ over the last week of ownership... - sure does!
Does it require me to get off road in the next few months when work says 'its ok you have time now! - sure does!
Does it lure me in every day to drive to work in it and shun the ute which really does use less fuel...! - sure does!

My thoughts below are simply a personal view on the vehicle based on a solids week and bit driving (and taking particular notice), and even if I call in the BAD - that does not really discourage my want of ownership at all. Quite openly, the truck is here to stay based on initial use!
I won't comment too much under under chassis, 4X4 and off road - have not had time to do either at all - for another day.
I have photos on phone for a few water ingress issues and the other bits, but for some reason CANNOT connect phone to PC to download them all - will do this later!

External Fitment - 1st Appearances
THE GOOD AND MANAGEABLE

- No need to repeat what others say regarding looks - it is a great looking vehicle and unique enough that many people here in SEQLD just stare at it. I just give a cheeky wink and nod (like a coy kid who got to the front of the Lolly line first!).
- Generally, the solid paneling is rather well aligned - I cannot find too much to comment on. Bonnet, Rear Corner, Headlight Panels etc are also straight, true and what I would expect.
- Hard plastics (the black extruded/moulded bits and bobs) generally sit well enough, however as many have mentioned, the solid/extruded plastic covers do have a variance of minor warp to them in several key areas of the vehicle in particular the fore and aft of the accessory rails & rear corner vents/grilles, but for me personally they are not bad enough to warrant long term concern (I think unless muck starts to accumulate...) and they do their intended purpose.
- All doors close and sit perfectly well, including tailgate doors. They all shut well, thud on shut, no rattle on shut, seem to sit well aligned, seal well and rest flat enough considering the seal arrangements.
- The biggest gripe is the fuel lid, it's about 2-3mm sagged in the shut position but from what I can see it should be easily adjusted when I have time. DEALER FIX
- Ladder to tail is good, but a few rubber grommets on the rear ladder are deformed slightly do not sit entirely flush too body work (probably not an issue but I will attempt to fix them).
- Left rear passenger door has a small burr on the internal weld/seam which when the door is closed with a 'mid-range' push, does impact against the body door threshold (metal) and leaves a tiny chip (1mm) in the paint work. I'll get dealer to remove blemish later. DEALER FIX
- Generally, all other seams/welds/folds are pretty good, and nothing stands out from this type of fabrication method that would alarm me.
- Front windscreen fitment seems quite good.
- Wipers fit and work well although I had have had to click back in to place the wiper knuckle shroud (the black plastic that protects the hinge pin). But when it clicked back in to place it seems to 'click' in well and I will keep an eye on it.
- All other windows actually seem well fitted. They close firm, do no rattle in general open positions.
- Snorkel seems well fitted although there is some sponginess at the junction to the body panel... not much but I will double check this on the weekend. DEALER CHECK
- Door handles on my vehicle are excellent - sorry @Jean Mercier !!!
- Seems to be a minor warp on the rubber seal between under wiper guard plastic shroud and the main body panel - back of bonnet area (a flexible weather strip). DEALER CHECK
- Rear passenger doors, dry as a bone... even in extra rainy conditions upon open cannot see any water ingress.
- Roof drainage channel is neat, well built and the rubber trimming is well fixed. The corner guards on mine are reasonably true and plumb and well fitted, although the front corners drain in an odd arrangement explained below. They do drain ok at present but will need to ensure drainage points at corners are well maintained... any scum, dirt, leaves etc will easily block these.
- Side step bars are well fitted; rubber seems to be ok on grip and robustness. MADE IN CHINA sticker still attached!
- Upper roof does not seem to retain water in the pressed bodywork as some others have found, not that I have found as yet myself.
- Quite often, in rain, when you have to brake more suddenly a gush of water cascades down the windscreen! Not a problem really but it did raise an eyebrow from a fellow passenger: "wipers take care of it".
THE BAD (frustrating for now): Both front driver and passenger doors have the 'wet feet' syndrome - a known issue and I can deal with that for now, but that is not my concern as much as the upper seal of the same doors which rest parallel with the roof channel, as these do retain water, enough that an uncomfortable amount of water falls directly from between this horizontal portion of the door seal and the body, when the door is opened in medium to heavy rain and even shortly after in garaged situations. This water directly falls on the driver's side door window/lock control panel (is this bloody waterproof???), then a fair portion falls directly on to the arm rest, and further water into the lower footwell. FOOTWELL AREA: This water falling from the top of an open door would be manageable if the water dripped down the outer door threshold, but it does not and initially upon door open it falls internally into the lip of the footwell. This is exacerbated by the fact the roof drain channel and the odd way in which water is diverted through the corner rubber guard, seems to be directed to the same spot!!! At present this is annoying... but with new seals coming for the wet feet issue, hopefully, most of the upper seal issue is also resolved??? To be kept on the burner this issue. Not sure on corner guard and how diversion of water to the 'point' can be avoided. DEALER FIX
- Tail gate doors, both allow again an uncomfortable amount of water to drip INTO cargo area of the vehicle... by uncomfortable I mean a dry cloth is required to wipe up in my opinion and not leave sitting. The worst part is in the rain we just had, I drove into my garage and about 2 minutes later I opened the large tailgate, where water then dripped into the unprotected open area where the gas strut connects to the body. Again, rag in the cavity to dry it up. Some of this water also finds its way in to the upper locking mech of the large tail gate when the gate is opened during or just after rain. I'll keep an eye out but read a similar issue from a few members elsewhere. DEALER FIX
- The above was all found whilst parked flat, being, a garage and external concrete hardstand.

Internal Fitment
THE GOOD AND MANAGEABLE

- My tailgate camp tray is missing! None in QLD maybe, so waiting on that to arrive and then it will be fitted.
- Seats - excellent. Both front and rear. Quality seems on point and comfort is good.
- Window panels, trims, seals, rubber fitments, etc are all good.
- Door handles internally are solid, arm rests are sturdy, grab points to get in and out are solid. Nothing seems to move in that respect.
- Centre console lock box is well fitted, doesn't move around and mine is well finished.
- Lights and cloth fitted around is looking good.
- Cargo area finish is good with tie down rails and vinyl's fitted well - only the tailgate internal storage has a flimsy plastic cover (camp table will take that out!).
- Some others experienced poor internal trim fitment, however, in my vehicle I have nothing much to comment on. Internal hard plastics, dashboard, consoles, rear plastics, rear consoles, vents, steering wheel & brake lever finish, lower vinyl's to all floors, arm rests, door panels, faux/cloth trims, everything seems to be well fitted and reasonably neat. One MINOR squeak in dash and its directly behind the hard plastic supporting the info centre, and the softer dashboard trim - fix with tiny 2mm thick sleeve of foam cut and wedged.
- Some mentioned their roof switch panels were a little flimsy - again in my vehicle it feels very well connected and firm with little movement when you press against it. I guess only that these later built trucks have an improved fitment QA process, and possible parts may have been provided in a slightly high quality.
- Rubber foot mats fit perfectly well... quite good actually and nothing to concern myself with here. Later, ill get a more rigid 'tray like' mat system which can capture mud, dust, water off shoes etc. Similar to what I run in my work ute.
THE BAD
- LOW/HIGH lever knob feels tacky as - like those 20c slot machines where you get the 2-piece egg with a hidden surprise. Just feels cheap, and tap it sounds like an eggshell! But it is probably quite robust, and I am being picky.
- For now, internal fitment generally seems to be on par with what I would expect in this type of vehicle.
- EDIT: I am now certain that condensation, from AC use, is dripping into the left hand footwell. Wife reported drops hitting her feet. Ill investigate further. DEALER FIX MAYBE
 
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Seating, Comfort & Driving Outlook
THE GOOD AND MANAGEABLE

- Seats are excellent and seem to be quite comfortable for all those who have been in the car so far (WIFE included!). Only minor gripe, the driver's seat for me personally feels like it is curving my shoulder blades forward a little... if the lateral supports were just another 30mm apart, this seat would be a fantastically great seat. But now I am just picking.
- Front passenger seating and leg arrangement is excellent in my view - wife agrees and loves it.
- Rear seats are that - a place I will not sit! However, both forward and rear facing baby seats fit well and SIT well, they do no slide and are firmer than normal seats which for us is a bonus! Plenty of leg room too.
- Steering wheel is very good in my view. Having two semi-circle top and bottom for me is ideal. I cannot stand steering wheels where the low middle is divided... I just plain like the Gren's steering wheel. Buttons are well positioned and easy to remember. The wheel feels like quality too.
- View from cockpit is excellent. I feel more aware in this vehicle than any I have owned previously bar motorbikes.
- EDIT: AC works perfectly fine. Cold, lots of airflow.
- Kids love the view from the back - lots of window space and they can actually see the road, the trees, etc. Love it.
- I am 5'10" and have just enough visibility UNDER the window lines to be comfortable. Some lights I need to 'bend forward' to view.
- Glove box is small, but I normally don't use or care too much for them and it fits a few accessories.
- Side steps are a must for getting in and out. I like them, can kick water and mud off my boots before getting in.
THE BAD
- RHD footwell intrusion :poop: - probably a few sighs here from some forum members! I will get to it: - in the end it does become pretty unsatisfying trying to find a truly comfortable position and I can 100% feel how others that have issues with this actually feel. It is ok for some, but not all. This was my no1 issue after driving the PT03 several times, and for me personally is the primary comfort gremlin for the as built vehicle (however not a sellable issue I have decided!). My $40K Single Cab ute has a better leg and comfort position than my GREN - but I will deal with it. I did about 800km of travel on the highway this week within the 1200+km total, and I got to testing as many possible seating arrangements as the seat allowed. I broke the three adjustments in to 9 separable zones (imagine a grid of 3x3) and sat in these zones for various trips. Most are pretty ordinary with the footrest in that position, however, I found two zones where at least my leg and center of balance as a close to 'good' as it can be. However, in both my left knee is forced to rest directly against the forward center console with pressure greater than is comfortable, because neither allows my leg to rest on the squab of the seat (I am a skinny bugger). So, I am looking at installing a 4mm thick boat foam rubber pad to the side of the plastic console which I can then rest the bone of my knee against... not ideal but it is a good solution for me and that is just how is it... still causes the left side of my foot to get achy because it's hard to sit with my foot FLAT on the rest, and, hip is still off center a little to right leg alignment and causes minor numbness at about 1hr of driving but thats where I then adjust from my personal preference of Tolerable Position 1 to Tolerable Position 2, and weekly Chiro will take care of the rest! Failing all that, the little, tiny glove box will still fit Rose-Tinted Glasses!!!
- The forward console could have been at least 40-50mm narrower... to give my left knee somewhere to go. Et al a continuance of the above!
- Cars have been around awhile.... yeah? How can anyone design a center console that fits/rests next to nothing. Cup holders are surely the design teams Meme Joke of the Week - they fit only 'skinny extra small coffee' cups. Not even my narrow body aluminum coffee cup fits and it literally falls out of the Mazda and Isuzu cup holders. Sports bottle - NO. 600mm water bottle - NO, wait YES but only after you take a few sips out and crush the bottom to fit! OK - enough of that. Oh, and to fit a new Phone - you jest. Oh - can drop the keys in to the cup well! After market it is!
- The 'pokey' little flat spot behind the gear shifter/hi-low lever: that is not storage INEOS but fair play - you tried! Wife said to me on 1st trip... "where the hell does anything fit!". Found a use, I can stick down one of my Garage remotes to it! Ok so can be used.

Steering - On Road Performance
- On bitumen and including my windy and partially bumpy drive home, the steering in my opinion is quite good, easy, comfortable, barely any feedback from potholes, Yeah, I like it. Feels real.
- The 1st 300kms I found myself 'over correcting' for what I would normally do for minor normal straight-line adjustments on the highway as the initial movement of the wheel delivers very little actually real vehicle return. However, by 300kms the steering feels 2nd nature to me and for the last 4 or 5 days I have not noticed myself doing anything other than just driving, hand on wheel, with nil thought as to how the wheel will do its job. It just does.
- The vague feeling is real, but it actually becomes and attuned vagueness. I do not notice it at all now to be fair.
- My wife noticed it immediately on her initial two drives, as she has little experience in BIG car handling, or old cars for that matter. She had a WTF moment for a bit, then, she was ok with it because she just has to be!

Controls / Buttons / Levers
- BMW lever is simple to use. Manual mode is not so good though, it slips back to normal drive mode far too easily with barely a whisper of force required to accidently move it out of Manual mode. The ZF-1 on my 2010 Ford XR6 Turbo was far more secure in manual mode... anyway just a thought on its function. Manual mode in my view should always be 'towards the driver' and not away from us - that would make the world of difference here.
- Diff Lock-High worked easily enough - same amount of force that I expected from PT03 test driving. Have not tested front/rear diff locks as yet - time!
- Manual forward control panel & buttons/turn knobs (AC/Stop Start/etc) are all functionally good in my view. Stop start and Sensor warning should both be on the driver's side together / close to. Reaching way over to turn off Auto S/S every time I start the vehicle is annoying, but it has to be done.
- Centre seating console turb knob and buttons can be used, but touch screen is faster and easier at present.
- The old FLIGHT DECK panel at ceiling - it is one cool thing to show off. Have not really used as yet bar lighting set up for door open/shut etc. Feels solid and definitely needs some added equipment connected to it!
- Steering wheel buttons - very good in my opinion and I use them quite frequently. Layout is exactly as I like it.
 
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Infotainment Screen & KEY INDICATOR Panel
- Key Indicator panel - good cause it will do what it needs to do - shows lots of things and hopefully not many of these lights up red for us!
- INFOTAINMENT is generally ok. Bit laggy on Audio modes. Map on LEFT side of screen... yeah that is not ideal - someone said it can be swapped?
- Speedo - on info screen - not a fan still after 1200+kms. Just an abstract location for the most important thing in SEQLD. Fines here are like buying candy for the unsuspecting and looking that far down and left is a hinderance. But I will install a HUD to fix that issue!
- The other info screen tabs are good and show information in generally good and easy to use manner.
- No outside Air Temp? - not a deal breaker but is useful. THIS CAN BE SWITCHED ON IN CONTROL PANEL
- Android auto works perfectly fine for me - no issues at all (WISH I HAD SOMEWHERE TO PUT MY PHONE).
BAD
- the entirety of the map area can be effectively become non-viewable due to the direct reflection of the left rear passenger window. On a bright day, all I can see is the window reflecting back at me... yeah that is my no.1 gripe with the control and panel layout and orientation of the physical unit which cannot be adjusted.
- Fuel gauge is cooked and not even close to accurate. At 'half way' mark, I have actually used nearly 60 litres based on fuel top up... that is not reliable! SOFTWARE FIX?
- Remaining fuel range is also cooked - with apparently 35 litres in the tank, range was 129kms. With a full tank, 560kms??? No. It is all wrong.
- I will just top up at the half mark.
- DAB radio is plain and simply BAD, even when I can see the tower just over there - see you turn the word around and that is exactly what it is. The DAB in this GREN is either faulty or the towers are under attack. It kicks in, can gear the radio, then silences out to nearly 0, then rises again - rinse and repeat. Yeah, not good. So, FM it is for now. DEALER FIX

On Road & General Driving

- Off the mark response is a bit lagged and so you need to plan about .3 - .4 seconds ahead if you wanna dash off the mark, but once moving it feels alive & menacing enough for its size!
- Exhaust note is a nice touch.
- Twin turbos spooling up under gentle but increasing throttle pressure - also a nice touch.
- Per my early post of a long up hill drive to Lamington National Park, the engine matchup is excellent, power is excellent, responsiveness is excellent. It does not feel strained one bit whilst luging this piece of machinery up a hill.
- I have not towed as yet so no comment on drawn weight and handling.
- Corner handling for a proper sized and weighty 4X4 is excellent. Body roll... honestly less than the wife's CX5.
- K02 tyres have given me no grief as yet in dry and wet conditions. Road noise is comparable to most other off-road tyre set ups that I have had in my lifetime.
- Cruise control works very and the diesel holds true to the speed effortlessly. Up a hill, barely notice a 1km drop in speed before the engine easily regains to set speed. I like it.
- Using manual gear mode for decline speed control works for a little bit (i.e. trying to sit at 70 or 80 down Tamborine-Oxenford Drive), but once you start the decline of these types of mountain road Tamborine/Springbrook roads set in - engine braking is not so effective as that nearly 3T becomes a locomotive. But the brakes make up for that, they are excellent in my opinion.
- Did I say the brakes on the Gren are good - they are. For standard on road brakes, they perform very well. Tested in wet also, still perform as expected - very well.
ONLY A MINOR THING:
- At idle there is a noticeable feel and loudness full vehicle vibration - however after about 4-5 seconds at idle (say lights) the vibration noticeably drops to a 'half' level of vibration. I get no other vibrations in this vehicle in any gear or RPM so far that I can notice - just at idle. Ill confirm with agent but for me not an issue really but almost enough to wake sleeping children, so a non-issue for now? DEALER CHECK
- Other than that, I have no on road issues or concerns at present, nothing to complain about. Vehicle is doing exactly what it should do and quite well at that.

Fuel Consumption
- I managed to keep an eye on about 800kms of general road travel (my daily work route). Combination of:
(30%) minor rural bitumen roads (all sub 80km),
(60%) the highway stint never over 110km but varies from 60-110km with quite a bit of start and stop for the first 10-15kms of the nearly 35kms highway run. Average is probably 80km on a normal day (so many people moving here stuffing our roads up).
(10%) shorter stint to the city outskirt/work area all sub 80kms.
- I have managed on my daily 90km-110km rounds trips to sit between 10.2L to 10.5L / 100km according to read out, and based on actual fuel fill up measure, that seems to be about right.
- I find when my daily work trip is allowing me to run the full highway speed of 110kms, that fuel econ drops quite a bit and that same trip at the higher speeds yields roughly 10.6 - 10.9L/100km.
- Setting cruise control at 100kms and having a free run on reasonably flat highway for roughly 30kms saw a read out of 10.1L/100km. That to me seems quite reaonsable.
- Setting cruise control at 110kms and having a free run on reasonably flat highway for roughly 30kms saw a read out of 11.1L/100km (same route as above). For a two-storey brick at 110, that seems pretty good. There seems to be a fairly heavy penalty for ever 1km over 100km/hr.
- All in all, this is fine for me, sub 11L was my goal for the general commuting and it exceeds that, and my last two daily runs for work saw an average 10.3L and 10.5L / 100km (funnily as good as claimed on the IA spec doc!).
- A stock 135L tank would have been nice...

Electrical Gremlins
- The 1st morning after collecting the Gren, the TPMS beeped at me! Tyre pressure system read as malfunctioned. All good, tyres look good to me - so I drove it two more times and it disappeared and has not come back as yet.
- The 2nd morning after ownership, the TCS and ESC both read as malfunctioned. No problems I thought, drive another 90kms and start it up later that arvo and errors gone. So far, has not come back.
- Currently front right of centre parking sensor is faulty. It reads round about traffic and beeps at me, beeps at me when stopping behind another car at lights (but at 4 meters!). Will notify agent.
- And that is it - to be fair the electronics on this vehicle so far have been effectively AOK, which seems to be a big departure from some of our current members! Sorry @Jean Mercier @Tazzieman

Short-term Summary:
- Great vehicle in my opinion when simply looking at the standard day to day on road use. It is great to drive, can be fun when needed (just watch your fuel gauge!).
- Fuel econ is good for nearly 3T on the road, in my view engine and handling performance on the road is excellent, ease of drivability and general non-footrest related comfort is excellent.
- Lack of storage is annoying, cup holders shoot me now - I do like coffee and the Gren obviously does not want to get stained!
- Footrest RHD version is what it is - just a design stuff up as LHD was designed 1st, but I will personally manage the solution for comfort.
- Water ingress due to rain via front doors and tailgates. Right now, water flowing into the cabin/on to door control panels/into cargo bay area - all annoying and will require a long-term solution. Wonder what happens after a wash, tell you on weekend when I wash it! DEALER FIX
- I do not miss ANY of the 'SAFETY' assist functions from other modern cars. Thankyou Ineos for removing these annoying features.
- Long term ownership it will be - I have no doubt. Wife and I are loving this truck.
- People stare at you - a lot. I find it amusing and giving people a half coy wink gets a chuckle from some.
 
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Infotainment Screen & KEY INDICATOR Panel
- Key Indicator panel - good cause it will do what it needs to do - shows lots of things and hopefully not many of these lights up red for us!
- INFOTAINMENT is generally ok. Bit laggy on Audio modes. Map on LEFT side of screen... yeah that is not ideal - someone said it can be swapped?
- Speedo - on info screen - not a fan still after 1200+kms. Just an abstract location for the most important thing in SEQLD. Fines here are like buying candy for the unsuspecting and looking that far down and left is a hinderance. But I will install a HUD to fix that issue!
- The other info screen tabs are good and show information in generally good and easy to use manner.
- No outside Air Temp? - not a deal breaker but is useful.
- Android auto works perfectly fine for me - no issues at all (WISH I HAD SOMEWHERE TO PUT MY PHONE).
BAD
- the entirety of the map area can be effectively become non-viewable due to the direct reflection of the left rear passenger window. On a bright day, all I can see is the window reflecting back at me... yeah that is my no.1 gripe with the control and panel layout and orientation of the physical unit which cannot be adjusted.
- Fuel gauge is cooked and not even close to accurate. At 'half way' mark, I have actually used nearly 60 litres based on fuel top up... that is not reliable!
- Remaining fuel range is also cooked - with apparently 35 litres in the tank, range was 129kms. With a full tank, 560kms??? No. It is all wrong.
- I will just top up at the half mark.
- DAB radio is plain and simply BAD, even when I can see the tower just over there - see you turn the word around and that is exactly what it is. The DAB in this GREN is either faulty or the towers are under attack. It kicks in, can gear the radio, then silences out to nearly 0, then rises again - rinse and repeat. Yeah, not good. So, FM it is for now.

On Road & General Driving
- Off the mark response is a bit lagged and so you need to plan about .3 - .4 seconds ahead if you wanna dash off the mark, but once moving it feels alive & menacing enough for its size!
- Exhaust note is a nice touch.
- Twin turbos spooling up under gentle but increasing throttle pressure - also a nice touch.
- Per my early post of a long up hill drive to Lamington National Park, the engine matchup is excellent, power is excellent, responsiveness is excellent. It does not feel strained one bit whilst luging this piece of machinery up a hill.
- I have not towed as yet so no comment on drawn weight and handling.
- Corner handling for a proper sized and weighty 4X4 is excellent. Body roll... honestly less than the wife's CX5.
- K02 tyres have given me no grief as yet in dry and wet conditions. Road noise is comparable to most other off-road tyre set ups that I have had in my lifetime.
- Cruise control works very and the diesel holds true to the speed effortlessly. Up a hill, barely notice a 1km drop in speed before the engine easily regains to set speed. I like it.
- Using manual gear mode for decline speed control works for a little bit (i.e. trying to sit at 70 or 80 down Tamborine-Oxenford Drive), but once you start the decline of these types of mountain road Tamborine/Springbrook roads set in - engine braking is not so effective as that nearly 3T becomes a locomotive. But the brakes make up for that, they are excellent in my opinion.
- Did I say the brakes on the Gren are good - they are. For standard on road brakes, they perform very well. Tested in wet also, still perform as expected - very well.
ONLY A MINOR THING:
- At idle there is a noticeable feel and loudness full vehicle vibration - however after about 4-5 seconds at idle (say lights) the vibration noticeably drops to a 'half' level of vibration. I get no other vibrations in this vehicle in any gear or RPM so far that I can notice - just at idle. Ill confirm with agent but for me not an issue really but almost enough to wake sleeping children, so a non-issue for now?
- Other than that, I have no on road issues or concerns at present, nothing to complain about. Vehicle is doing exactly what it should do and quite well at that.

Fuel Consumption
- I managed to keep an eye on about 800kms of general road travel (my daily work route). Combination of:
(30%) minor rural bitumen roads (all sub 80km),
(60%) the highway stint never over 110km but varies from 60-110km with quite a bit of start and stop for the first 10-15kms of the nearly 35kms highway run. Average is probably 80km on a normal day (so many people moving here stuffing our roads up).
(10%) shorter stint to the city outskirt/work area all sub 80kms.
- I have managed on my daily 90km-110km rounds trips to sit between 10.2L to 10.5L / 100km according to read out, and based on actual fuel fill up measure, that seems to be about right.
- I find when my daily work trip is allowing me to run the full highway speed of 110kms, that fuel econ drops quite a bit and that same trip at the higher speeds yields roughly 10.6 - 10.9L/100km.
- Setting cruise control at 100kms and having a free run on reasonably flat highway for roughly 30kms saw a read out of 10.1L/100km. That to me seems quite reaonsable.
- Setting cruise control at 110kms and having a free run on reasonably flat highway for roughly 30kms saw a read out of 11.1L/100km (same route as above). For a two-storey brick at 110, that seems pretty good. There seems to be a fairly heavy penalty for ever 1km over 100km/hr.
- All in all, this is fine for me, sub 11L was my goal for the general commuting and it exceeds that, and my last two daily runs for work saw an average 10.3L and 10.5L / 100km (funnily as good as claimed on the IA spec doc!).
- A stock 135L tank would have been nice...

Electrical Gremlins
- The 1st morning after collecting the Gren, the TPMS beeped at me! Tyre pressure system read as malfunctioned. All good, tyres look good to me - so I drove it two more times and it disappeared and has not come back as yet.
- The 2nd morning after ownership, the TCS and ESC both read as malfunctioned. No problems I thought, drive another 90kms and start it up later that arvo and errors gone. So far, has not come back.
- Currently front right of centre parking sensor is faulty. It reads round about traffic and beeps at me, beeps at me when stopping behind another car at lights (but at 4 meters!). Will notify agent.
- And that is it - to be fair the electronics on this vehicle so far have been effectively AOK, which seems to be a big departure from some of our current members! Sorry @Jean Mercier @Tazzieman

Short-term Summary:
- Great vehicle in my opinion when simply looking at the standard day to day on road use. It is great to drive, can be fun when needed (just watch your fuel gauge!).
- Fuel econ is good for nearly 3T on the road, in my view engine and handling performance on the road is excellent, ease of drivability and general non-footrest related comfort is excellent.
- Lack of storage is annoying, cup holders shoot me now - I do like coffee and the Gren obviously does not want to get stained!
- Footrest RHD version is what it is - just a design stuff up as LHD was designed 1st, but I will personally manage the solution for comfort.
- Water ingress due to rain via front doors and tailgates. Right now, water flowing into the cabin/on to door control panels/into cargo bay area - all annoying and will require a long-term solution. Wonder what happens after a wash, tell you on weekend when I wash it!
- I do not miss ANY of the 'SAFETY' assist functions from other modern cars. Thankyou Ineos for removing these annoying features.
- Long term ownership it will be - I have no doubt. Wife and I are loving this truck.
- People stare at you - a lot. I find it amusing and giving people a half coy wink gets a chuckle from some.
Excellent piece of literature (y)
 

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@trobex: I don't have the wet feet syndrome, I am sorry for you ;)😭

I also am not happy that there is no good stable "cell phone place"
Concerning the fuel, I rely on the stripes remaining, not the km's remaining. This is quite accurate, but I am living in a country with petrol stations every 2 km or something like that.

Fantastic review by the way (y)
 

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Infotainment Screen & KEY INDICATOR Panel
- Key Indicator panel - good cause it will do what it needs to do - shows lots of things and hopefully not many of these lights up red for us!
- INFOTAINMENT is generally ok. Bit laggy on Audio modes. Map on LEFT side of screen... yeah that is not ideal - someone said it can be swapped?
- Speedo - on info screen - not a fan still after 1200+kms. Just an abstract location for the most important thing in SEQLD. Fines here are like buying candy for the unsuspecting and looking that far down and left is a hinderance. But I will install a HUD to fix that issue!
- The other info screen tabs are good and show information in generally good and easy to use manner.
- No outside Air Temp? - not a deal breaker but is useful.
- Android auto works perfectly fine for me - no issues at all (WISH I HAD SOMEWHERE TO PUT MY PHONE).
BAD
- the entirety of the map area can be effectively become non-viewable due to the direct reflection of the left rear passenger window. On a bright day, all I can see is the window reflecting back at me... yeah that is my no.1 gripe with the control and panel layout and orientation of the physical unit which cannot be adjusted.
- Fuel gauge is cooked and not even close to accurate. At 'half way' mark, I have actually used nearly 60 litres based on fuel top up... that is not reliable!
- Remaining fuel range is also cooked - with apparently 35 litres in the tank, range was 129kms. With a full tank, 560kms??? No. It is all wrong.
- I will just top up at the half mark.
- DAB radio is plain and simply BAD, even when I can see the tower just over there - see you turn the word around and that is exactly what it is. The DAB in this GREN is either faulty or the towers are under attack. It kicks in, can gear the radio, then silences out to nearly 0, then rises again - rinse and repeat. Yeah, not good. So, FM it is for now.

On Road & General Driving
- Off the mark response is a bit lagged and so you need to plan about .3 - .4 seconds ahead if you wanna dash off the mark, but once moving it feels alive & menacing enough for its size!
- Exhaust note is a nice touch.
- Twin turbos spooling up under gentle but increasing throttle pressure - also a nice touch.
- Per my early post of a long up hill drive to Lamington National Park, the engine matchup is excellent, power is excellent, responsiveness is excellent. It does not feel strained one bit whilst luging this piece of machinery up a hill.
- I have not towed as yet so no comment on drawn weight and handling.
- Corner handling for a proper sized and weighty 4X4 is excellent. Body roll... honestly less than the wife's CX5.
- K02 tyres have given me no grief as yet in dry and wet conditions. Road noise is comparable to most other off-road tyre set ups that I have had in my lifetime.
- Cruise control works very and the diesel holds true to the speed effortlessly. Up a hill, barely notice a 1km drop in speed before the engine easily regains to set speed. I like it.
- Using manual gear mode for decline speed control works for a little bit (i.e. trying to sit at 70 or 80 down Tamborine-Oxenford Drive), but once you start the decline of these types of mountain road Tamborine/Springbrook roads set in - engine braking is not so effective as that nearly 3T becomes a locomotive. But the brakes make up for that, they are excellent in my opinion.
- Did I say the brakes on the Gren are good - they are. For standard on road brakes, they perform very well. Tested in wet also, still perform as expected - very well.
ONLY A MINOR THING:
- At idle there is a noticeable feel and loudness full vehicle vibration - however after about 4-5 seconds at idle (say lights) the vibration noticeably drops to a 'half' level of vibration. I get no other vibrations in this vehicle in any gear or RPM so far that I can notice - just at idle. Ill confirm with agent but for me not an issue really but almost enough to wake sleeping children, so a non-issue for now?
- Other than that, I have no on road issues or concerns at present, nothing to complain about. Vehicle is doing exactly what it should do and quite well at that.

Fuel Consumption
- I managed to keep an eye on about 800kms of general road travel (my daily work route). Combination of:
(30%) minor rural bitumen roads (all sub 80km),
(60%) the highway stint never over 110km but varies from 60-110km with quite a bit of start and stop for the first 10-15kms of the nearly 35kms highway run. Average is probably 80km on a normal day (so many people moving here stuffing our roads up).
(10%) shorter stint to the city outskirt/work area all sub 80kms.
- I have managed on my daily 90km-110km rounds trips to sit between 10.2L to 10.5L / 100km according to read out, and based on actual fuel fill up measure, that seems to be about right.
- I find when my daily work trip is allowing me to run the full highway speed of 110kms, that fuel econ drops quite a bit and that same trip at the higher speeds yields roughly 10.6 - 10.9L/100km.
- Setting cruise control at 100kms and having a free run on reasonably flat highway for roughly 30kms saw a read out of 10.1L/100km. That to me seems quite reaonsable.
- Setting cruise control at 110kms and having a free run on reasonably flat highway for roughly 30kms saw a read out of 11.1L/100km (same route as above). For a two-storey brick at 110, that seems pretty good. There seems to be a fairly heavy penalty for ever 1km over 100km/hr.
- All in all, this is fine for me, sub 11L was my goal for the general commuting and it exceeds that, and my last two daily runs for work saw an average 10.3L and 10.5L / 100km (funnily as good as claimed on the IA spec doc!).
- A stock 135L tank would have been nice...

Electrical Gremlins
- The 1st morning after collecting the Gren, the TPMS beeped at me! Tyre pressure system read as malfunctioned. All good, tyres look good to me - so I drove it two more times and it disappeared and has not come back as yet.
- The 2nd morning after ownership, the TCS and ESC both read as malfunctioned. No problems I thought, drive another 90kms and start it up later that arvo and errors gone. So far, has not come back.
- Currently front right of centre parking sensor is faulty. It reads round about traffic and beeps at me, beeps at me when stopping behind another car at lights (but at 4 meters!). Will notify agent.
- And that is it - to be fair the electronics on this vehicle so far have been effectively AOK, which seems to be a big departure from some of our current members! Sorry @Jean Mercier @Tazzieman

Short-term Summary:
- Great vehicle in my opinion when simply looking at the standard day to day on road use. It is great to drive, can be fun when needed (just watch your fuel gauge!).
- Fuel econ is good for nearly 3T on the road, in my view engine and handling performance on the road is excellent, ease of drivability and general non-footrest related comfort is excellent.
- Lack of storage is annoying, cup holders shoot me now - I do like coffee and the Gren obviously does not want to get stained!
- Footrest RHD version is what it is - just a design stuff up as LHD was designed 1st, but I will personally manage the solution for comfort.
- Water ingress due to rain via front doors and tailgates. Right now, water flowing into the cabin/on to door control panels/into cargo bay area - all annoying and will require a long-term solution. Wonder what happens after a wash, tell you on weekend when I wash it!
- I do not miss ANY of the 'SAFETY' assist functions from other modern cars. Thankyou Ineos for removing these annoying features.
- Long term ownership it will be - I have no doubt. Wife and I are loving this truck.
- People stare at you - a lot. I find it amusing and giving people a half coy wink gets a chuckle from some.
Hi Trobex, This is exactly why I joined this forum. DaBull
 

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Infotainment Screen & KEY INDICATOR Panel
- Key Indicator panel - good cause it will do what it needs to do - shows lots of things and hopefully not many of these lights up red for us!
- INFOTAINMENT is generally ok. Bit laggy on Audio modes. Map on LEFT side of screen... yeah that is not ideal - someone said it can be swapped?
- Speedo - on info screen - not a fan still after 1200+kms. Just an abstract location for the most important thing in SEQLD. Fines here are like buying candy for the unsuspecting and looking that far down and left is a hinderance. But I will install a HUD to fix that issue!
- The other info screen tabs are good and show information in generally good and easy to use manner.
- No outside Air Temp? - not a deal breaker but is useful.
- Android auto works perfectly fine for me - no issues at all (WISH I HAD SOMEWHERE TO PUT MY PHONE).
BAD
- the entirety of the map area can be effectively become non-viewable due to the direct reflection of the left rear passenger window. On a bright day, all I can see is the window reflecting back at me... yeah that is my no.1 gripe with the control and panel layout and orientation of the physical unit which cannot be adjusted.
- Fuel gauge is cooked and not even close to accurate. At 'half way' mark, I have actually used nearly 60 litres based on fuel top up... that is not reliable!
- Remaining fuel range is also cooked - with apparently 35 litres in the tank, range was 129kms. With a full tank, 560kms??? No. It is all wrong.
- I will just top up at the half mark.
- DAB radio is plain and simply BAD, even when I can see the tower just over there - see you turn the word around and that is exactly what it is. The DAB in this GREN is either faulty or the towers are under attack. It kicks in, can gear the radio, then silences out to nearly 0, then rises again - rinse and repeat. Yeah, not good. So, FM it is for now.

On Road & General Driving
- Off the mark response is a bit lagged and so you need to plan about .3 - .4 seconds ahead if you wanna dash off the mark, but once moving it feels alive & menacing enough for its size!
- Exhaust note is a nice touch.
- Twin turbos spooling up under gentle but increasing throttle pressure - also a nice touch.
- Per my early post of a long up hill drive to Lamington National Park, the engine matchup is excellent, power is excellent, responsiveness is excellent. It does not feel strained one bit whilst luging this piece of machinery up a hill.
- I have not towed as yet so no comment on drawn weight and handling.
- Corner handling for a proper sized and weighty 4X4 is excellent. Body roll... honestly less than the wife's CX5.
- K02 tyres have given me no grief as yet in dry and wet conditions. Road noise is comparable to most other off-road tyre set ups that I have had in my lifetime.
- Cruise control works very and the diesel holds true to the speed effortlessly. Up a hill, barely notice a 1km drop in speed before the engine easily regains to set speed. I like it.
- Using manual gear mode for decline speed control works for a little bit (i.e. trying to sit at 70 or 80 down Tamborine-Oxenford Drive), but once you start the decline of these types of mountain road Tamborine/Springbrook roads set in - engine braking is not so effective as that nearly 3T becomes a locomotive. But the brakes make up for that, they are excellent in my opinion.
- Did I say the brakes on the Gren are good - they are. For standard on road brakes, they perform very well. Tested in wet also, still perform as expected - very well.
ONLY A MINOR THING:
- At idle there is a noticeable feel and loudness full vehicle vibration - however after about 4-5 seconds at idle (say lights) the vibration noticeably drops to a 'half' level of vibration. I get no other vibrations in this vehicle in any gear or RPM so far that I can notice - just at idle. Ill confirm with agent but for me not an issue really but almost enough to wake sleeping children, so a non-issue for now?
- Other than that, I have no on road issues or concerns at present, nothing to complain about. Vehicle is doing exactly what it should do and quite well at that.

Fuel Consumption
- I managed to keep an eye on about 800kms of general road travel (my daily work route). Combination of:
(30%) minor rural bitumen roads (all sub 80km),
(60%) the highway stint never over 110km but varies from 60-110km with quite a bit of start and stop for the first 10-15kms of the nearly 35kms highway run. Average is probably 80km on a normal day (so many people moving here stuffing our roads up).
(10%) shorter stint to the city outskirt/work area all sub 80kms.
- I have managed on my daily 90km-110km rounds trips to sit between 10.2L to 10.5L / 100km according to read out, and based on actual fuel fill up measure, that seems to be about right.
- I find when my daily work trip is allowing me to run the full highway speed of 110kms, that fuel econ drops quite a bit and that same trip at the higher speeds yields roughly 10.6 - 10.9L/100km.
- Setting cruise control at 100kms and having a free run on reasonably flat highway for roughly 30kms saw a read out of 10.1L/100km. That to me seems quite reaonsable.
- Setting cruise control at 110kms and having a free run on reasonably flat highway for roughly 30kms saw a read out of 11.1L/100km (same route as above). For a two-storey brick at 110, that seems pretty good. There seems to be a fairly heavy penalty for ever 1km over 100km/hr.
- All in all, this is fine for me, sub 11L was my goal for the general commuting and it exceeds that, and my last two daily runs for work saw an average 10.3L and 10.5L / 100km (funnily as good as claimed on the IA spec doc!).
- A stock 135L tank would have been nice...

Electrical Gremlins
- The 1st morning after collecting the Gren, the TPMS beeped at me! Tyre pressure system read as malfunctioned. All good, tyres look good to me - so I drove it two more times and it disappeared and has not come back as yet.
- The 2nd morning after ownership, the TCS and ESC both read as malfunctioned. No problems I thought, drive another 90kms and start it up later that arvo and errors gone. So far, has not come back.
- Currently front right of centre parking sensor is faulty. It reads round about traffic and beeps at me, beeps at me when stopping behind another car at lights (but at 4 meters!). Will notify agent.
- And that is it - to be fair the electronics on this vehicle so far have been effectively AOK, which seems to be a big departure from some of our current members! Sorry @Jean Mercier @Tazzieman

Short-term Summary:
- Great vehicle in my opinion when simply looking at the standard day to day on road use. It is great to drive, can be fun when needed (just watch your fuel gauge!).
- Fuel econ is good for nearly 3T on the road, in my view engine and handling performance on the road is excellent, ease of drivability and general non-footrest related comfort is excellent.
- Lack of storage is annoying, cup holders shoot me now - I do like coffee and the Gren obviously does not want to get stained!
- Footrest RHD version is what it is - just a design stuff up as LHD was designed 1st, but I will personally manage the solution for comfort.
- Water ingress due to rain via front doors and tailgates. Right now, water flowing into the cabin/on to door control panels/into cargo bay area - all annoying and will require a long-term solution. Wonder what happens after a wash, tell you on weekend when I wash it!
- I do not miss ANY of the 'SAFETY' assist functions from other modern cars. Thankyou Ineos for removing these annoying features.
- Long term ownership it will be - I have no doubt. Wife and I are loving this truck.
- People stare at you - a lot. I find it amusing and giving people a half coy wink gets a chuckle from some.
Great review - surprisingly the old Defenders are giving me the usual Defender wave - nice touch and appreciated ( I have had 2 x TDI's )
 

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Wow!

At first glance, your review seemed dauntingly long: I was worried that you had fallen prey to logorrhea.
Very good review, thank you. (y)

How were you able to remember all the objects? Did you use a voice recorder?

- No outside Air Temp?
Settings question. You can chose what to show in the so called INFO1-2-3-4 parts of the display.

Congrats for the car - and for the review. :)
 

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If that's the short term summary the long term one might need to be professionally bound ; select the hand tooled leather option 😄
Good summary and I hope nothing keeps you up at night.
Have you bought the OBD tool for those outback limp times?
 

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Comprehensive! Thanks @trobex

Out of all of the above, would be good to know which/any items that you’re looking to get the dealer to rectify? For example isn't there is a fix for the wet feet/ door seals?

- approx. VIN? (therefore build date)
- latest software?

… these things are helpful as we all track the state of the art

Cheers
 

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Out of all of the above, would be good to know which/any items that you’re looking to get the dealer to rectify? For example isn't there is a fix for the wet feet/ door seals?

- approx. VIN? (therefore build date)
- latest software?
Door seals are a known issue affecting a fair few owners , so Ineos are onto it.
My VIN is sub 1600 and sdoesn't have an issue with the seals.
There is a big software update in the pipeline (The 1946 one is only a stop gap)
And I suspect even those with the latest updates may not have been properly done in some instances.
There is a steep learning curve, but we've all been there in various ventures in our lives!
 

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Here's my impressions...after approx 2000kms. Trialmaster Diesel.

Overall Impressions
(The good)
Just a great tank of a vehicle! Feels like the main structure of the car is very well designed, very taught, stiff and solid.
No creaks of rattles from any internal trim or fittings.
Pretty reasonable fuel consumption (considering)- ranging from 11.2-11.8 l/100km. Mainly shorter drives, so you may improve on this for longer journey's
Overall a very nice match of engine and gearbox- plenty of power and pretty smooth delivery overall.
Great steering (really!) - once you get used to it and dial things in, it really is very nice. I like the feel and solidity the steering has, both on and off road. Possibly my imagination, but I think it has improved too....it seems to offer more centering than before.
Feed the wheel and it responds very well.
Great headlights, great visibility at night and a bit of theatre in the cabin....feels quite special to drive at night.
Brakes are great- no issues, possibly best brakes I've experienced on a car of this type.
Great visibility for a big car-never feel as if I'm driving a big car.
Offroad ability is exceptional. Even during my limited time offroad so far, you can see where this car has been targeted.
Driving position- very comfortable, great seats. Hump is no issue for me.
Handles and corners way better than it has any right to....quite exceptional it this class.
Infotainment system is overall quite good- simple and easy to use. (Android auto seems to work flawlessly)
No electrical gremlins so far (I'm on software 1946)

(The Questionable)
Front door seals- yes me too. Door opening shower- fix in works
Throttle response on initial take off from stop, is a bit sluggish....unless you punch it. When you do it sounds a bit unrefined so I tend to just wait a bit longer and chill!
Internal storage is pretty awful for a big car. Seriously...... they couldn't have done something better here? I have Melvill and Moon seat covers arriving, which should help a bit, but hoping there may be some aftermarket options coming. The space is there....it just hasn't been utilized.
Radio is pretty average...bordering on poor. The volume knob doesn't have enogh finesse on adjustment....too quiet or too loud. It needs finer adjustment. (US are getting an upgrade option...yanks get preferential treatment....again!)
Rear seat deployment. Step when folded down is a bit difficult to manage- drawer system may help, but I feel the layout of the rear could have been improved.
I think the car needed to be 100mm (maybe 150mm) longer for a more optimum layout.

Other
I will be taking my Grenadier back to Armstrongs in a few weeks to have the camp table fitted (missing on delivery), an extra roof bar fitted and the door seal issue sorted. They also want to do another software update.

Overall, I must say I love this vehicle. For a first try, it's an exceptional machine with a few small flaws.
 

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source? reason? (if other than ordinary continuous refinement)
We were promised the software update to fix everything in August , then September - then in October some of us got it. The 1946 version.
But the agents tell us it's only a few of the ECU's (?20%) , not all of them.
No idea when the definitive update will occur, but as soon as it does you'll read about it here!
 
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My car is in at the dealer getting the AC fixed ( as well as a few small things)
My card has V1946 in it, but the dealer said that he will be loading a new update as well - perhaps a 2hr load time.
Not exactly sure what it is - or what it fixes.
 

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My car is in at the dealer getting the AC fixed ( as well as a few small things)
My card has V1946 in it, but the dealer said that he will be loading a new update as well - perhaps a 2hr load time.
Not exactly sure what it is - or what it fixes.
Do absolutely all your head unit functions work? eg attitude screen , compass if you have one , odometer , android auto (if you have it?)
 

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Your first impressions are probably the only one I’ve read that has mentioned baby seats in the back. I appreciate the insight! If you are able to tell, how much space would there be between the baby seats if you installed two baby seats in the back? Would there be enough space for an adult between the two baby seats?

Thanks,
 

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Thanks for your thoughts @trobex most appreciated.

cheers
Steve
 
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