CARWOW - Jeep v Defender v Grenadier

[DaveB]

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[lightning]

l think all three vehicles performed very well.
It's not a fair comparison though, unless they are all on the same tyres.

For instance Defenders come as standard with what are effectively road tyres.

 

[Mountain4x4]

I disagree, the Defender showed just how much of a street car it is here. The competition was the Gladiator.

 

[Zimm]

I disagree, the Defender showed just how much of a street car it is here. The competition was the Gladiator.

lol. put a grenadier on the same slicks the defender had, and it would sit there spinning 4 tires, looking like a cat trying to bury a turd on a marble floor.

 

[lightning]

The Grenadier is definitely more of a "proper" 4x4 than the Defender (and l say this as the owner of a new Defender)

However the Defender is highly competent off road when suitable tyres are fitted. Not that most owners will ever find that out.

l certainly have, which is why l've fitted the optional Goodyear Wranglers to mine.

 

[bbq4133]

The Grenadier is definitely more of a "proper" 4x4 than the Defender (and l say this as the owner of a new Defender)

However the Defender is highly competent off road when suitable tyres are fitted. Not that most owners will ever find that out.

l certainly have, which is why l've fitted the Goodyear Wranglers to mine.



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Didn't love those on my former Tacoma but they sure beat whatever tire I see most new Defenders with stock, that's for sure.

 

[lightning]

There are probably better A/T tyres.

But they were cheap. £550 (around $700) for five brand new tyres on new steel rims. Delivery mileage only.

 

[Zimm]

The Grenadier is definitely more of a "proper" 4x4 than the Defender (and l say this as the owner of a new Defender)

What do you mean by more proper? solid axles? body on frame?

There's nothing inferior about unibody/monoque construction, clutch packs for locking, or independent suspension. I think "traditional" may be a better word.

Had LR not disappointingly chosen to lock out the driver with nannies, and therefore permitted a front locker with a system that can be "manually" locked and fully override the programming, I don't see where the gren would have any edge offroad if both were shod with 32'5 muds on 18's. On the other hand, the Gren is more user up gradable. Unfortunately, it's also Gwagon'esque in it's limitations and falls short of a knockout punch there also.

 

[bbq4133]

What do you mean by more proper? solid axles? body on frame?

There's nothing inferior about unibody/monoque construction, clutch packs for locking, or independent suspension. I think "traditional" may be a better word.

Had LR not disappointingly chosen to lock out the driver with nannies, and therefore permitted a front locker with a system that can be "manually" locked and fully override the programming, I don't see where the gren would have any edge offroad if both were shod with 32'5 muds on 18's. On the other hand, the Gren is more user up gradable. Unfortunately, it's also Gwagon'esque in it's limitations and falls short of a knockout punch there also.

Kind of an aside, and this might be a minority opinion, but I think 18's are a bit too big for me. Really hate the trend in increasing wheel size, if I had my druthers I'd be rolling around on 16's all day long!

I think the biggest difference between the Grenadier and new Defender, other than the obvious, is that you have to do a bit more yourself with the Grenadier than you do with the new Defender. That was the deciding factor for me and my purchase. I came from a vehicle that was similar to the new Defender in that it was almost entirely a giant computer, you just rotate a knob and go, and while "fun" in some respects--I missed getting into it myself.

 

[Coullabus]

Kind of an aside, and this might be a minority opinion, but I think 18's are a bit too big for me. Really hate the trend in increasing wheel size, if I had my druthers I'd be rolling around on 16's all day long!

I think the biggest difference between the Grenadier and new Defender, other than the obvious, is that you have to do a bit more yourself with the Grenadier than you do with the new Defender. That was the deciding factor for me and my purchase. I came from a vehicle that was similar to the new Defender in that it was almost entirely a giant computer, you just rotate a knob and go, and while "fun" in some respects--I missed getting into it myself.

I have a top-of-the-range XC90 if I need to travel in a super comfy, luxury, SUV. But for an everyday 4x4 for getting around the island, towing trailers, back full of dogs, the Grenadier was the absolutely right choice to replace my beloved (2008) 110 XS station wagon.

PS. I love the 18’s

 

[bbq4133]

I have a top-of-the-range XC90 if I need to travel in a super comfy, luxury, SUV. But for an everyday 4x4 for getting around the island, towing trailers, back full of dogs, the Grenadier was the absolutely right choice to replace my beloved (2008) 110 XS station wagon.

PS. I love the 18’s

I'm also paranoid about alloys (blame Ronny Dahl) but we won't get into that!

I had a Raptor, it was super cool to rip around in the dirt in what amounted to be a leather couch with A/C seats, but at the end of the day I had too many video game consoles!

 

[Max]

IMHO if a 4X4 driver with cred had the cars for a day and was able to understand the capabilities of each vehicle it would be hard to pick them apart...the three clowns driving in the tests were there for the fun and entertainment and thanks fellas for that