A few thoughts about Ineos Automotive and the Grenadier

[Roach]

It would be easy to move the old inventory. Lots of companies looking for fleet trucks and they don’t care if it has lockers. Put a wrap on it, price it under 50k (maybe low 40’s) and take the loss….unless behind the scenes Ineos has back stopped these in some way and the US dealer isn’t penalized (ie: floor plan cost). If Ineos is propping up the old inventory then they’ve accomplished another milestone (in the negative column

 

[HereinDaRockies]

It would be easy to move the old inventory. Lots of companies looking for fleet trucks and they don’t care if it has lockers. Put a wrap on it, price it under 50k (maybe low 40’s) and take the loss….unless behind the scenes Ineos has back stopped these in some way and the US dealer isn’t penalized (ie: floor plan cost). If Ineos is propping up the old inventory then they’ve accomplished another milestone (in the negative column

Convert them into those stupid arcane works trim. Those buyers would never use lockers

 

[Tazzieman]

US production would be nice, but a second version that used more American parts like Dana axles and maybe even a US source engine instead of the BMW.

Then it becomes no longer a Grenadier.
Maybe an Ineos Homeguard or something.

 

[HereinDaRockies]

Then it becomes no longer a Grenadier.
Maybe an Ineos Homeguard or something.

lol random ass Italian axles passes some purity test?

 

[Tazzieman]

lol random ass Italian axles passes some purity test?

Yes. They also make Lambos. Lambos came from tractors. The circle is complete!

 

[Zimm]

yea. lsx drivetrain and dana 60's. bombproof, and cheap and easy to fix. I'm not sure I'd go upside down to trade in for it, but I would be envious of those that had that setup.

 

[Tazzieman]

yea. lsx drivetrain and dana 60's. bombproof, and cheap and easy to fix. I'm not sure I'd go upside down to trade in for it, but I would be envious of those that had that setup.

You also won't have the many Asian hardware components , nor quirky but loveable Euro software.
What would you call it?
ATM it's a Germofanidier.

 

[HereinDaRockies]

You also won't have the many Asian hardware components , nor quirky but loveable Euro software.
What would you call it?
ATM it's a Germofanidier.

software is the grenadier’s downfall, no?

It provides zero value proposition - all headaches

 

[MattA]

have said before...if Toyota had brought the 70 series to America in diesel or even petrol.....a Grenadier likely would never of been needed. That has and will never happen we are told....so the Grenadier/Quartermaster is my vehicle of choice. I dont want them to go under....I did not buy for investment......and those that did would be better off selling now and buying something else.

Really? Have you ever driven a 70 series?
The V8 although sounds great is a thirsty inefficient gutless engine, the clutch is so weak it needs replacing as soon as you do any engine upgrades, the rear track is narrower than the front due to lazy engineering which makes it horrible to drive, it’s hopeless off road due to rear leaf hangers and shocker mounts being so close to the ground and very little suspension flex and the list goes on and on.
Don’t be fooled by Toyota worship and appearance

 

[OkGo]

@MattA remember these 'mericans had the 200 with the same V8 ..

 

[MattA]

@MattA remember these 'mericans had the 200 with the same V8 ..

Same v8 but missing 1 turbo and 200 nm…

 

[abbeyroad]

I would drop kick my IG like a bad habit if the 70 was made available Stateside.

 

[HereinDaRockies]

I would drop kick my IG like a bad habit if the 70 was made available Stateside

I decided to buy the IG because it’s the only chance for me to buy a 70series adjacent vehicle here.

Yes would sell and take the $$ hit, to get into a new 70 series

 

[abbeyroad]

I decided to buy the IG because it’s the only chance for me to buy a 70series adjacent vehicle here.

I'm a huge 70/80 series LC fan. A 76 is my ultimate truck dream.

The IG to me is my new old Land Cruiser that I can't have here. Aside from the bs steering pump noise, 3-2 clunk and a weak front driveshaft design, I genuinely feel a connection to it that it'll remain a reliable old mule for decades. Nothing in the market today, even from Toyota, gives me this feeling.

I just hope IA doesn't f it up.

 

[dreamalaska]

Following their recent cyberattack, JLR isn’t in very good financial shape either:

MSN

 

[MileHigh]

yea. lsx drivetrain and dana 60's. bombproof, and cheap and easy to fix. I'm not sure I'd go upside down to trade in for it, but I would be envious of those that had that setup.

That’s what I was thinking too. Too bad that VW got ahold of the Scout brand and electrified it.

 

[dreamalaska]

That’s what I was thinking too. Too bad that VW got ahold of the Scout brand and electrified it.

Once Scout burns through through the pent-up fanboy base it hopefully won’t end up like VW’s new “retro” Kombi bus ID.Buzz…
“A combination of production pauses, multiple recalls, high pricing, and limited range caused a collapse in U.S. sales of the all-electric Volkswagen ID. Buzz during the first half of 2025. The sales challenges in North America stand in sharp contrast to the vehicle's success in the European market. ”

 

[Zimm]

i think that scout is going to be a massive charge off in the end. This type of market is where new fun stuff goes to die.