15% price increase? Bulls**t

[Tazzieman]

(Especially if the adventure goes wrong…I won’t be worried about the Gren pricing if I’m stuck in a bog in the back of beyond! )

And adventure is a trip where something goes a bit wrong , or where there is potential for peril!
An adventure gone wrong = a disaster? ... that brings out the best Boy Scout in you!

 

[Deleted User Account.]

Things will sort themselves out. Ineos will either make themselves competitive here or they'll lose sales to established models like the g-wagon, jeep, or any of the myriad truck models available. The one upside to waiting to see what ineos does is that we get to see what kinds of growing pains and defects the early adopters have and how ineos addresses their problems.

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

And adventure is a trip where something goes a bit wrong , or where there is potential for peril!
An adventure gone wrong = a disaster? ... that brings out the best Boy Scout in you!

My thoughts exactly!

And nothing went wrong this time unless you count the fact that the egg McMuffin I stopped for at McD’s was a bit soggy. But, I built a rudimentary shelter, drank some pee, and persevered! #Adventure

 

[Davman]

My thoughts exactly!

And nothing went wrong this time unless you count the fact that the egg McMuffin I stopped for at McD’s was a bit soggy. But, I built a rudimentary shelter, drank some pee, and persevered! #Adventure

Sounds like you drank some orange juice from McD’s. Not that I have ever drunk my own pee, but I would imagine the two taste the same.

 

[Davman]

Things will sort themselves out. Ineos will either make themselves competitive here or they'll lose sales to established models like the g-wagon, jeep, or any of the myriad truck models available. The one upside to waiting to see what ineos does is that we get to see what kinds of growing pains and defects the early adopters have and how ineos addresses their problems.

I think all of your overseas cousins would be equally peeved if the timing of the price rises hit us, as it looks like it may impact all of you.
After initial frustrations, you seem to be dealing with it, so I take my hat off to you all.

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

Things will sort themselves out. Ineos will either make themselves competitive here or they'll lose sales to established models like the g-wagon, jeep, or any of the myriad truck models available. The one upside to waiting to see what ineos does is that we get to see what kinds of growing pains and defects the early adopters have and how ineos addresses their problems.

Agreed, mgohillbilly. Folks will vote with their wallet. The magic number is that 25k — if Ineos can sell that many at any price, it’ll be a success. But like you said, I don’t mind the split launch; the teething problems get sorted by our friends in Oz and the EU so that hopefully when they launch stateside those problems are solved. But then, the counter point is they get to lock in todays prices while we wait and see how much more it’ll be when it lands here! Win some, lose some.

Sounds like you drank some orange juice from McD’s. Not that I have ever drunk my own pee, but I would imagine the two taste the same.

Never had the OJ and now I won’t! But I will say, the McDs coffee (which is what I was after) is pretty darn good in Canada. And I can buy 3 cups of it for the price of a single Starbucks option so if I’m wanting some reliable “same at every franchise” coffee, it’s hard to beat McDonalds.

 

[DaveB]

Agreed, mgohillbilly. Folks will vote with their wallet. The magic number is that 25k — if Ineos can sell that many at any price, it’ll be a success. But like you said, I don’t mind the split launch; the teething problems get sorted by our friends in Oz and the EU so that hopefully when they launch stateside those problems are solved. But then, the counter point is they get to lock in todays prices while we wait and see how much more it’ll be when it lands here! Win some, lose some.



Never had the OJ and now I won’t! But I will say, the McDs coffee (which is what I was after) is pretty darn good in Canada. And I can buy 3 cups of it for the price of a single Starbucks option so if I’m wanting some reliable “same at every franchise” coffee, it’s hard to beat McDonalds.

I am also hoping that as mine is getting built 8 months after the first they will have sorted out any bugs.
I am betting there will be hundreds of reviews and quite a lot of inspection from other brands and brand lovers.
We will get reviews aplenty from short, tall, skinny, fat young and old people.
From all kinds of backgrounds and with all kinds of use cases.
Caravan, boat and horse float towers.
Weekend warriors and mall crawlers.
Probably even from average people who have typical uses and like to interact on specialist forums.

But I don't do McDonalds or Starbucks so please!

 

[Tazzieman]

But I don't do McDonalds or Starbucks so please!

They really are truly awful.

 

[Stu_Barnes]

I am also hoping that as mine is getting built 8 months after the first they will have sorted out any bugs.
I am betting there will be hundreds of reviews and quite a lot of inspection from other brands and brand lovers.
We will get reviews aplenty from short, tall, skinny, fat young and old people.
From all kinds of backgrounds and with all kinds of use cases.
Caravan, boat and horse float towers.
Weekend warriors and mall crawlers.
Probably even from average people who have typical uses and like to interact on specialist forums.

But I don't do McDonalds or Starbucks so please!

I’m waiting for aspw review. I’m willing to bet real cash monies that it’ll end “the INEOS Grenadier is the worst real new off-roader because it tries at everything, and too hard, but I want one”

 

[DaveB]

I’m waiting for aspw review. I’m willing to bet real cash monies that it’ll end “the INEOS Grenadier is the worst real new off-roader because it tries at everything, and too hard, but I want one”

It is surely going to involve lots of arm waving, emphatic pauses and "in my opinions"
Whereas his opposition will be more, "I haven't been paid to say anything good so" "full disclosure"

 

[acwiltshire]

Take a deep breath folks. I'm happy to defer to the mantra ( not sure who said it) but that QUALITY IS REMEMBERED LONG AFTER PRICE IS FORGOTTEN.

We are all fundementally expecting design and reliabillty excellence ..end of.

 

[emax]

I understand the frustration.

But a product price depends on demand, supply and competition. So though I am not happy about the price increase, I'm not surprised about it. The higher prices can simply be asked in terms of those parameters. And as far as I understand, @FlyingTexan is not upset about the prices, but about Ineos, because from his point of view they broke their promises.

So I'm wondering: what promises? From what I've seen, they say existing orders will be delivered at the old prices, and I think they will.

But what other promises were made? That's a serious question, because I don't recall there being any statement about price guarantees before. I don't even see what prices in the US (and Canada, etc.) they could have guaranteed?

I have a feeling there is some wishful thinking involved, because a dream is often fuzzy and people (myself included) often tend to imagine things the way they would like to see them.

So were there really any price guarantees that I missed?

 

[Guru]

Am I missing something…?

I also live in the US and looking forward to getting my Grenadier after paying the reservation on the first day.
There’s never been any pricing for the US so how can we get all bent out of shape for a so called price increase..? If the price went down due to the USD obscene over valuation due to world events (I’ve personally taken a 20% pay cut due to being paid in another currency) there wouldn’t be howls of protest.
We live in the home of “free enterprise” so as much as it hurts it’s out of our hands until we sign a contract and get actual pricing.

 

[Tazzieman]

I’m waiting for aspw review.

He will buy a dual cab when they come out. Buy you a beer if I'm wrong!

 

[DCPU]

Ineos Grenadier prices increased by up to $13,000 as order bank grows

Australia is a top three global market for the Ineos Grenadier, now subject to price hikes of up to 14.8 per cent.

www.carexpert.com.au

This is bullsh**t I’ve been a long term supporter and they want to up prices before they’ve even made their first delivery? Component prices were HIGHER and supply chain issues were much WORSE, and transportation cost much higher (fuel as well as ships quarantining) when they released the past price sheets. This is the kind of crap Riviian pulled. Maybe not quite as bad but they’ve jacking up the prices AFTER the issues have largely been resolved. Oil is down $20/barrel and foundarys are largely on pace now. This announcement happening now and not six months ago makes zero sense.

So the headline figure in Oz is quoted as nearly 15%; and that may actually be the case, as I've not crunched their figures, but I have for the UK. I've also taken into account the not unimportant point made by @Halliwell Jones Chester that UK prices are now inclusive of OTR costs.

Once this is factored in, then the actual increases range from 9.29% to 11.45%. Hey still increases but not 15%, and that % difference adds up to a few £££s when you're talking five figure sums.



For those that argue that any increase is inevitable, given external headwinds, then what's the answer for the cost of the smooth pack going from £1,685 to £1,435 - a drop of 14.85%, or in real terms a drop of 27.18% (applying the same increase as the Belstaff editions)?

 

[DaveB]

So the headline figure in Oz is quoted as nearly 15%; and that may actually be the case, as I've not crunched their figures, but I have for the UK. I've also taken into account the not unimportant point made by @Halliwell Jones Chester that UK prices are now inclusive of OTR costs.

Once this is factored in, then the actual increases range from 9.29% to 11.45%. Hey still increases but not 15%, and that % difference adds up to a few £££s when you're talking five figure sums.

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For those that argue that any increase is inevitable, given external headwinds, then what's the answer for the cost of the smooth pack going from £1,685 to £1,435 - a drop of 14.85%, or in real terms a drop of 27.18% (applying the same increase as the Belstaff editions)?

Yes
I think they have made a mistake and they need to increase the price on the smooth pack
Good pick up

 

[emax]

Marketing? More smooth pack buyers?

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

I’ve been assuming error as well on why the smooth pack is cheaper. It may have been something simple like the package double counts an accessory. It may even have been an error from the supplier, and it may have been an error now (in which case the price will go up for that pack) or it may have been an error some months ago and this new price is reflective of the real smooth pack price. It’s also possible they intended the smooth pack to include an accessory that they decided to pull.

Either way, I think the $200 on what’s looking like a $100,000+ AUD rig is a rounding error; I think the explanation/argument of “economy’s crazy right now” holds up despite that decrease.

 

[Deleted User Account.]

I understand the frustration.

But a product price depends on demand, supply and competition. So though I am not happy about the price increase, I'm not surprised about it. The higher prices can simply be asked in terms of those parameters. And as far as I understand, @FlyingTexan is not upset about the prices, but about Ineos, because from his point of view they broke their promises.

So I'm wondering: what promises? From what I've seen, they say existing orders will be delivered at the old prices, and I think they will.

But what other promises were made? That's a serious question, because I don't recall there being any statement about price guarantees before. I don't even see what prices in the US (and Canada, etc.) they could have guaranteed?

I have a feeling there is some wishful thinking involved, because a dream is often fuzzy and people (myself included) often tend to imagine things the way they would like to see them.

So were there really any price guarantees that I missed?

You keep harping on the point of "what promises?" but you are missing the point. If you were following the grenadier from the start from within the US, you'd see that product get rolled out internationally with price quotes, deposits, and guarantees that make the release in the US not only look like an afterthought, but at a potential price point that may make many of us say "screw it, that's too much... I'm going to go ahead and commit to buying a different vehicle now."

Some kind of statement from ineos on expected US pricing (even if pegged to inflation rate) would be appreciated because it feels like we're being strung along. I suspect the kind of people interested in buying a grenadier are like me and keep their vehicles for 10+ years, hundreds of thousands of miles, and repair their vehicles themselves when humanly possibly. We're very loyal to brands and expect honesty and transparency.

 

[emax]

That was my first comment on it, so I hardly "keep harping" on anything.

Since the Internet doesn't just exist in the U.S., I assume I saw Ineos' campaign here as well. My simple question was, did I miss something? If so, let me know, I don't insist on knowing everything.

However, my feeling is growing that marketing is being confused with promises here.

When I first heard that the new Grenadier will have a BMW engine and a ZF automatic transmission and probably won't cost more than €40'000, I just laughed. And I just shook my head that actually many believed it. You simply can't believe everything that is spread.

A narrative, even if the manufacturer does nothing about it, is certainly not a promise.