Trump announces 25% tariff on all imported vehicles!

[Gaffer]

Allow me to modify my statement - they can afford it - but wouldn’t turn a profit at these volumes. It’s just too low a volume. They made their choice for Hambach, but the US is and will be their biggest market - so if there isn’t a path without significant tariffs, it’s a really bad situation. I’m not trying to get into an argument about what constitutes “fair trade,” whether tariffs are a good idea, or even what the real intent behind the US tariffs are. Just saying adding a US production site while carrying Hambach doesn’t make sense, financially.

If BMW was willing, Ineos could have the Grenadier built under license in Spartanburg. The business model might resemble Mazda Miata and Fiat Spider built on the same assembly line. There is less similarity between the X7 and the Grenadier so it would be more complicated to implement than the Miata / Spider arrangement. But also the vehicles don't occupy the same market segment so BMW wouldn't have the competitive concerns.

As a satisfied Grenadier owner, I am glad that I own the vehicle without the onerous environmental standards under other administrations that probably would have made driving it prohibitive. Tarriffs can be hard on business, but so also can be regulations.

 

[AWo]

In the beginning there was a "discussion" between Ineos and BMW if the BMW symbol is allowed on the bonnet. Maybe BMW is not so keen to be associated too much with Ineos.

AWo

 

[Krabby]

Magna has North American plants - including some in the US. That could be an avenue for IA.

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

It is my deep hope for this country that in 3.5 years there will be a roll back of all this ridiculousness. Companies may not survive the 3 years, I’m sure many won’t. The blatant mob boss mentality of this guy is crazy. “Give me a plane, no tariffs for you.”

The only hope is to survive to the next election and roll all of this back as quickly as possible. Need to stop electing 80yo men, stop electing the extremes of either side!

I think this is the best hope to be honest

 

[AWo]

...after Ineos kicked Magna from the Fusilier development which is now done by Chery, maybe....are they still friends? Magna got a few bad news already (like the Fisker breakdown) when Ineos told them, they are out.

Ok, in business there are no friends, all ist about money.

AWo

 

[Zimm]

As a satisfied Grenadier owner, I am glad that I own the vehicle without the onerous environmental standards under other administrations that probably would have made driving it prohibitive. Tarriffs can be hard on business, but so also can be regulations.

What are you going on about? What standards made it prohibitive? What "regulations" do we have that are hitting Ineos like a tariff?

 

[Roadking01]

Good to have a President that puts Americans first and tries to right unfair trade practices. A little pain is going to have to be felt.

 

[nuclearbeef]

If BMW was willing, Ineos could have the Grenadier built under license in Spartanburg.

Wouldn't matter. A vehicle manufactured in France is subject to 25% tariff.
A vehicle manufactured in the US is not, however; imported car parts are subject to a 25% tariff.
Since the grenadier is made with no US parts, all the components used to assemble the Gren would be marked up 25%.
Whether it is bolted together in France or in the US, the tariff on a Gren would be the same... 25%.
No reason to make them here.

Further reason not to shift production to the US would be that all Grens manufactured here for export would be taxed at 25% while those made in France would not.

Mercedes and BMW are running into this problem with their SUVs that are made in Spartanburg and Tuscaloosa with a majority of imported parts and exported globally.

 

[Commodore]

I just found a study from Bernstein Analytics. a Berlin based research and analytics company. They figured out how US tariffs on cars will affect non US car manufacturers. Ineos, VinFast and Volvo will be hit the hardest, where Ineos and VinFast are on places one and two (both 100%), Volvo is third with 90% (only the EX90 is produced in the US), then VW with 81% etc.

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They claim that €110 Bio. additional cost will arise for the non US car companies per year.

The reason why Ineos will also be hit very hard is because the sourcing of parts. None from the US.
That means the import fraction of Ineos is 100%.
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That means the import fraction of Ineos is 100%.
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AWo

You just love this don’t you. There is nothing more you want in the world than to see the Grenadier go out of production. You don’t own one and are mad that Ineos didn’t listen to you during development. You only come on this forum to fear monger. I gotta say that your comments get really old.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Guys please - I don’t want to get into the tariff debate and politics. I just commented on the one point about Ineos having a US production site. And @AWo is German - of COURSE he’s going to be meticulous and careful - that’s just another way of saying “German,” and I thank the Good Lord for that every time I visit one of my German factories. On a happier note - here is my most awesome build update, yet. The Blue Ridge Triple Run seatback “Adventure Station” for my youngest daughter. We’re going fly fishing this afternoon - her first time. I’m starting her out with a Tenkara rod and a floating line, for simplicity and visibility.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

And yes - being from Wisconsin, the badger patch is on its way from the UK.

 

[Gaffer]

What are you going on about? What standards made it prohibitive? What "regulations" do we have that are hitting Ineos like a tariff?

CAFE

 

[Gaffer]

Also, restrictions on oil drilling and fracking that drive up fuel costs. Also redistributionist economic policies that harm Grenadier's target market.

 

[LC0013]

Guys please - I don’t want to get into the tariff debate and politics. I just commented on the one point about Ineos having a US production site. And @AWo is German - of COURSE he’s going to be meticulous and careful - that’s just another way of saying “German,” and I thank the Good Lord for that every time I visit one of my German factories. On a happier note - here is my most awesome build update, yet. The Blue Ridge Triple Run seatback “Adventure Station” for my youngest daughter. We’re going fly fishing this afternoon - her first time. I’m starting her out with a Tenkara rod and a floating line, for simplicity and visibility.

No kidding, many of wish the owner would ban folks for bringing in the politics into the forum threads.

 

[Zimm]

Also, restrictions on oil drilling and fracking that drive up fuel costs. Also redistributionist economic policies that harm Grenadier's target market.

CAFE

How were cafe rules restricting Gren sales before January 20th? There aren't any Idle drilling permits? Fuel in the US is keeping down Gren sales? There aren't enough people that can afford 100k cars?

 

[MattA]

No kidding, any of wish the owner would ban folks for bringing in the politics into the forum threads.

Or we welcome free speech and people offering different opinions to challenge our own but ban those who become offended, offensive and want to ban free expression of thought
Just a thought…

 

[TD5-90]

Ok, in business there are no friends, all ist about money.

Sorry, but if that's your opinion, you clearly have _no_ clue about building and running a (sustainable) business.
If you had, you would know that it is indeed much more about creating and maintaining personal relationships, especially in bad times, between partners before it comes to things like money.

 

[Gaffer]

How were cafe rules restricting Gren sales before January 20th? There aren't any Idle drilling permits? Fuel in the US is keeping down Gren sales? There aren't enough people that can afford 100k cars?

I take it that you don't believe that the various fuel economy and limits on drilling affect car choices. Fair enough, reasonable people may differ. Among those who disagree with you are the advocates of those policies.

 

[LC0013]

Or we welcome free speech and people offering different opinions to challenge our own but ban those who become offended, offensive and want to ban free expression of thought
Just a thought…

Just a real thought here: the owner of this website sets the rules and free speech (free expression of thought) is not required by law for it. It was always a good rule at work to never discuss politics or religion and I believe it would be good policy for any forums. Politics and religion discussions are too divisive and it is not what this forum was set up for. Nothing more irratating to be reading thru a thread and up pops comments about Trump or Macron or Trudeau. Really, who gives a shit about those guys.....or any other lying damn politician walking on both sides of the isles.

OR just set up a politca/religion forum and keep all discussion there. That would satisfy most I believe.

Nice to mention free expression of thought when Australia does not have the constituional right to free speech.

The Australian constitution does not explicitly create a right to freedom of speech or freedom of expression.

An Overview of Australia’s Freedom of Speech Protections

By: Simmone Kapadia. Australia’s freedom of speech protections are not enumerated in its constitution. Instead, Australia’s freedom of speech protections are “implied” protections rooted in case law and international conventions.

www.msuilr.org

 

[Gaffer]

I agree with LC0013, one should not discuss religion and politics on this forum. But when others decide to talk politics, silence equates to assent. So please don't discuss politics on this forum.