Technical documentation!

[Jean Mercier]

I cannot help that others are importanter than me.
But I am at least competenter and handsomer than some others

I am happy to be handsome too ... I didn't get my access either

 

[Tazzieman]

I am happy to be handsome too ... I didn't get my access either

Give it 6 weeks and we'll storm the battlements!
Gosh we really do make a handsome , not to mention dashing pair of chaps

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Give it 6 weeks and we'll storm the battlements!
Gosh we really do make a handsome , not to mention dashing pair of chaps
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As I often tell my wife and kids, being perfect is a heavy burden, but someone’s got to do it. That remark often coincides with an inexplicable coughing spasm for said family member. I suspect seasonal allergies.

 

[Tazzieman]

As I often tell my wife and kids, being perfect is a heavy burden, but someone’s got to do it. That remark often coincides with an inexplicable coughing spasm for said family member. I suspect seasonal allergies.

Tell them you can't read a book.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Tell them you can't read a book.

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Which is exactly why I’ve avoided books my entire life.

 

[sayntzero]

Further to my other reply. This manual is very easy to use. Sometimes it’s just the terminology of each individual part is sometimes unfamiliar to me , so not always sure what to look up.

I have been playing with it more today. Terminology isn't too much of an issue for me, it's more the UI is difficult. I think the "search" bar on the left is functionally useless/broken. I gave up on that earlier.

I have found most of what I need under "Workshop Manual/Station Wagon and Utility Wagon." Once you get to the info, it's nice - it's just getting there that's a bit of a chore.

 

[Logsplitter]

I have been playing with it more today. Terminology isn't too much of an issue for me, it's more the UI is difficult. I think the "search" bar on the left is functionally useless/broken. I gave up on that earlier.

I have found most of what I need under "Workshop Manual/Station Wagon and Utility Wagon." Once you get to the info, it's nice - it's just getting there that's a bit of a chore.

Yes agreed and yesterday I struggled to get much of the info I need. It kept buffering and some pages I couldn’t load at all. May be too many users now have slowed the whole thing down. I got my access a few days back and it was much quicker to access the relevant pages.

 

[Greasemonkey]

Hello Logsplitter !
You could do me/us a favor if you're back on the Ineos system. When TomD changed his wheel bolts and had to replace the bearing, the question arose as to whether the large nut on the wheel hub needed to be tightened using a special procedure (Nm/angle/Nm) and what torque (630 Nm?) was required. Working on the wheel hub would be a typical trail repair. Does the workshop manual provide any information about this, or are these values also missing?

 

[Logsplitter]

Hello Logsplitter !
You could do me/us a favor if you're back on the Ineos system. When TomD changed his wheel bolts and had to replace the bearing, the question arose as to whether the large nut on the wheel hub needed to be tightened using a special procedure (Nm/angle/Nm) and what torque (630 Nm?) was required. Working on the wheel hub would be a typical trail repair. Does the workshop manual provide any information about this, or are these values also missing?

I’ll check out later and report back.

 

[Logsplitter]

Hello Logsplitter !
You could do me/us a favor if you're back on the Ineos system. When TomD changed his wheel bolts and had to replace the bearing, the question arose as to whether the large nut on the wheel hub needed to be tightened using a special procedure (Nm/angle/Nm) and what torque (630 Nm?) was required. Working on the wheel hub would be a typical trail repair. Does the workshop manual provide any information about this, or are these values also missing?

Is this the info you need ?

 

[Greasemonkey]

Thank you !
That's exactly the information we need. When I asked, my dealer told me that the large wheel hub nut needs to be tightened to 630 Nm instead of the required 375 Nm. That's quite a difference. I have a torque wrench in my workshop that can reach 850 Nm. But it's much too big and too heavy to take with me on a trip. A torque wrench that can reach 400 Nm is much smaller and can also be used for tightening the wheel nuts, for example.

 

[Logsplitter]

Thank you !
That's exactly the information we need. When I asked, my dealer told me that the large wheel hub nut needs to be tightened to 630 Nm instead of the required 375 Nm. That's quite a difference. I have a torque wrench in my workshop that can reach 850 Nm. But it's much too big and too heavy to take with me on a trip. A torque wrench that can reach 400 Nm is much smaller and can also be used for tightening the wheel nuts, for example.

I’m trying to work out a way of how I can collate the relevant information that I need for remote overland travel. Most of that manual won’t be needed by me. Like stripping transmission and engine. But wheel bearings , brakes suspension info etc I’m going to keep handy plus spare part numbers.
I’m trying to work out a way to easily file as taking screenshots and storing as photos is going to take way too much storage. Any ideas anybody. Convert photos to pdf maybe

 

[Greasemonkey]

That's exactly how I'd like to do it. I don't need detailed explanations, as I actually have a pretty good understanding of technology. A few exploded drawings of how parts fit together and torque specifications would be enough for me to carry out repairs on the trail. I even play through some repairs in my head to determine which tools are needed. That's what happened with the propshaft joints. Do you need a angle grinder to get to the circlip, or is a sharp chisel enough to open the cap? As we now also know, it can be important to have a small puller with you to separate the joint from the shaft.

 

[NQ94]

Thank you !
That's exactly the information we need. When I asked, my dealer told me that the large wheel hub nut needs to be tightened to 630 Nm instead of the required 375 Nm. That's quite a difference. I have a torque wrench in my workshop that can reach 850 Nm. But it's much too big and too heavy to take with me on a trip. A torque wrench that can reach 400 Nm is much smaller and can also be used for tightening the wheel nuts, for example.

The 630Nm sounds like the torque for the nut for the unit bearings on the rear axle wheel hubs. This also requires a service tool for the nut.

 

[Greasemonkey]

I specifically asked about the torque for the front wheel hub nut. I also received conflicting answers to other questions, such as the transfer case oil quantity. So it's good that we can now check for ourselves.

 

[Logsplitter]

600nm for the rear.

 

[Greasemonkey]

Exzellent Information !!!!
I spoke with the mechanics several times. One of these conversations was about the sensor ring on the rear wheels, which they had to replace on a customer's vehicle following a stone impact. The mechanic mentioned that they needed a special tool (CA 119168 ?), which INEOS initially refused to provide. Instead, they were asked to replace the entire rear axle on the customer's vehicle. Only after some back and forth did INEOS provide this tool, so the axle could be repaired.
I have an appointment with the dealer at the beginning of September. I'll ask if they can show me this tool and the tool for measuring the differential oil.

 

[Logsplitter]

Exzellent Information !!!!
I spoke with the mechanics several times. One of these conversations was about the sensor ring on the rear wheels, which they had to replace on a customer's vehicle following a stone impact. The mechanic mentioned that they needed a special tool (CA 119168 ?), which INEOS initially refused to provide. Instead, they were asked to replace the entire rear axle on the customer's vehicle. Only after some back and forth did INEOS provide this tool, so the axle could be repaired.
I have an appointment with the dealer at the beginning of September. I'll ask if they can show me this tool and the tool for measuring the differential oil.

That would be great info thanks.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Exzellent Information !!!!
I spoke with the mechanics several times. One of these conversations was about the sensor ring on the rear wheels, which they had to replace on a customer's vehicle following a stone impact. The mechanic mentioned that they needed a special tool (CA 119168 ?), which INEOS initially refused to provide. Instead, they were asked to replace the entire rear axle on the customer's vehicle. Only after some back and forth did INEOS provide this tool, so the axle could be repaired.
I have an appointment with the dealer at the beginning of September. I'll ask if they can show me this tool and the tool for measuring the differential oil.

I wonder how much proprietary tooling is required to service the Grenadier, and for what parts/procedures. That would obviously undermine the initial “easy to service” premise - but that’s just one more log on the fire.

 

[Jeremy996]

I wonder how much proprietary tooling is required to service the Grenadier, and for what parts/procedures. That would obviously undermine the initial “easy to service” premise - but that’s just one more log on the fire.

Most manufacturers have "special" tools that are really designed to idiot-proof the procedure rather than make it impossible in the field. Land Rover used to have lots of bit of bent metal that were used to hold stuff in place while you tightened stuff up or bashed it with a hammer. An old Defender is maintainable with conventional hand tools, but having the factory tools made broken knuckles or bent bearing races less likely.

BMC/British Leyland/Austin Rover Group/Rover had a few tools that were absolutely essential if you wanted to pump up the Hydrogas units to set ride height or adjust the cam timing on an O-Series engine. Without the tool, it was essentially impossible. (There is a lovely couple in the UK who will service Hydrogas units on a door to door basis for Minis, Metros, MGF etc).

Tightening anything to 600Nm in the field is likely to be fraught with potential danger.