So, knowing what you know, would you buy it again?

[CRH]

from the back door to the seatback, all the forward and tilted, you do not have 6'5. If you can have a fridge and other equipment in there, and sleep in fetal position sucking your thumb, more power to ya. Thats not a proper sleeping area to me. If merely falling asleep is the standard I can also sleep on rocks, sitting up in -2f with an m16, but that's not a Serta mattress, not voluntarily and only out of necessity.

If you can sleep in that situation, then what's all the moaning about

 

[Emil]

Well, thank you, but… how many responses, percentage of yes/no/maybe responses? I am under the impression that some 80% expressed that yes they would buy again?

 

[Max]

Just wondering, is there an AI that could do a quick analysis of all the responses (yes, no; maybe, if only)?

I think a quick count through the posts is all that's needed but I learn towards YES.

Here ya go:

The discussion in the thread centers on owners of the Ineos Grenadier and Quartermaster reflecting on their experiences and whether they would choose to buy the vehicles again, given what they now know. Participants generally express that the Ineos Automotive project is at a pivotal moment, with the brand’s growth hinging on broader acceptance and addressing persistent issues. While some users report overwhelmingly positive experiences and no regrets with their purchase, others acknowledge ongoing problems like quirks with HVAC, drive shaft, annoying warning sounds, steering feel, software glitches, and unusual noises. These issues are debated as either adding unique character to the vehicles or serving as deal-breakers for potential buyers, with perspectives varying depending on the individual’s use case and tolerance for automotive idiosyncrasies.

This does not answer Emil's question and sounds like the content to a discussion thread without answers.

 

[MattA]

It is definitely an overwhelming YES with most stating they would but again
What does that mean in real terms is the question followed closely by what are they being used for.
For me the use is remote travel, mostly towing , heavily corrugated roads, river crossings, steep accents and descent with high articulation when 4wding
All that while fully loaded close to maximum GVM and GCM
So would I buy ( I have been watching closely the development and real world ownership experience) not a snow flake in hell chance.
This will change as soon as the significant design and service ( OBD reader) are fixed
These are major issues and anyone who does require the same use and performance as I do would be kidding themselves if they think the grenadier is the best option
Just my opinion which many will no doubt disagree with

 

[Gasguzzler]

Just wondering, is there an AI that could do a quick analysis of all the responses (yes, no; maybe, if only)?

The Ineos Forum thread "So, knowing what you know, would you buy it again?" (about the Ineos Grenadier) has no official poll. Users share personal opinions across the pages, often explicitly answering the title question, sometimes with nuance, and many posts are off-topic discussions or replies without a direct yes/no.


I reviewed all 18 pages and counted only clear, direct responses to the core question (ignoring ambiguous, off-topic, or repeated posts by the same user where possible).

Strict Count of Explicit Answers​

• Yes (would definitely buy again or similar unequivocal positive): 59
• No (would definitely not buy again): 14
• Conditional/Maybe (e.g., "yes but only if fixes come," "on the fence," "maybe later"): 12 (not counted in pure yes/no)

This is an overwhelmingly positive thread (~81% clear yes among those who gave a binary answer), which aligns with user comments on later pages describing it as "overwhelmingly yes."


Note: Some pages (especially later ones) have fewer direct answers as the discussion drifts to specific issues like driveshafts, service, or comparisons to other vehicles. The thread appears to still be active or viewable up to page 18 as of now, but no new direct yes/no responses were found on the very last pages beyond what's summarized.

 

[Emil]

Interesting, greatly appreciated! (Once read a quote along the lines: „A great salesman sells the second car“)

 

[Max]

It is definitely an overwhelming YES with most stating they would but again
What does that mean in real terms is the question followed closely by what are they being used for.
For me the use is remote travel, mostly towing , heavily corrugated roads, river crossings, steep accents and descent with high articulation when 4wding
All that while fully loaded close to maximum GVM and GCM
So would I buy ( I have been watching closely the development and real world ownership experience) not a snow flake in hell chance.
This will change as soon as the significant design and service ( OBD reader) are fixed
These are major issues and anyone who does require the same use and performance as I do would be kidding themselves if they think the grenadier is the best option
Just my opinion which many will no doubt disagree with

There is one word you missed in the question...again?
But honestly it sounds like you have the answer we may have overlooked so I am super curious to know and see your set up in the vehicle you are using now plus what you are towing on these remote travels, please.

 

[Max]

Interesting, greatly appreciated! (Once read a quote along the lines: „A great salesman sells the second car“)

The answer was 81% not 80% so can you try harder next time please

 

[HereinDaRockies]

The Ineos Forum thread "So, knowing what you know, would you buy it again?" (about the Ineos Grenadier) has no official poll. Users share personal opinions across the pages, often explicitly answering the title question, sometimes with nuance, and many posts are off-topic discussions or replies without a direct yes/no.


I reviewed all 18 pages and counted only clear, direct responses to the core question (ignoring ambiguous, off-topic, or repeated posts by the same user where possible).

Strict Count of Explicit Answers​

• Yes (would definitely buy again or similar unequivocal positive): 59
• No (would definitely not buy again): 14
• Conditional/Maybe (e.g., "yes but only if fixes come," "on the fence," "maybe later"): 12 (not counted in pure yes/no)

This is an overwhelmingly positive thread (~81% clear yes among those who gave a binary answer), which aligns with user comments on later pages describing it as "overwhelmingly yes."


Note: Some pages (especially later ones) have fewer direct answers as the discussion drifts to specific issues like driveshafts, service, or comparisons to other vehicles. The thread appears to still be active or viewable up to page 18 as of now, but no new direct yes/no responses were found on the very last pages beyond what's summarized.

damn! I was using perplexity and it couldn’t crawl this entire thread for some reason…

 

[Tom109]

Yes.

 

[Clark Kent]

Yes.

INXS summarised it thusly:
So slide over here
And give me a moment
Your moves are so raw
I've got to let you know
I've got to let you know
You're one of my kind.

 

[Max]

damn! I was using perplexity and it couldn’t crawl this entire thread for some reason

​

Perplexity AI. Artificial Incompetence or Artificial Incomprehension

 

[MattA]

There is one word you missed in the question...again?
But honestly it sounds like you have the answer we may have overlooked so I am super curious to know and see your set up in the vehicle you are using now plus what you are towing on these remote travels, please.

If you really want to know we have an Exoduce 16 with all the fruit and a Discovery 4 which also has a few mods.
We have done the East coast to near the tip, Kimberly and across the top end, 2/3 west coast, CSR, Flinders, Arkaroola, Oodnadatta Tri, SA beaches, most of the Vic high country and Fraser Island twice plus a whole heap in between all those places.
Next year we are doing Darwin and the top end again with the current set up
Next big remote ones are CSR and the Simpson which is why I need a exceptionally reliable and new vehicle
As the IG now stands I wouldn’t do either of those trips in one

 

[MattA]

As a side note before anyone asks, we have had the Disco for 9 years, over 130,000km most of it towing, touring and 4wding with the only issue a very annoying orange light to tell me the washer bottle is low with not one break down or fault
TOUCH WOOD NOW!!

 

[Jellybean]

So, after taking the plunge and stumping up your hard earned to buy a Grenadier or QM, knowing what you know and having lived the dream or nightmare would you buy it again? I feel the Ineos Automotive project is at an inflection point, it either breaks out and starts to generate some volume and acceptance or it dies a death of 1000 cuts. My experience has been overwhelmingly positive and I have no regrets, but maybe my use of the vehicle differs from the masses. HVAC, drive shaft, bings and bongs, steering feel, software glitches, weird noises; are they character building or red lines? Discuss.

So far, so good. Excited to spend more time over the winter on some snow.

 

[Max]

If you really want to know we have an Exoduce 16 with all the fruit and a Discovery 4 which also has a few mods.
We have done the East coast to near the tip, Kimberly and across the top end, 2/3 west coast, CSR, Flinders, Arkaroola, Oodnadatta Tri, SA beaches, most of the Vic high country and Fraser Island twice plus a whole heap in between all those places.
Next year we are doing Darwin and the top end again with the current set up
Next big remote ones are CSR and the Simpson which is why I need a exceptionally reliable and new vehicle
As the IG now stands I wouldn’t do either of those trips in one

I am a member of the Sunshine Coast Landrover Owners Club. My vehicle is a Series II but not for the purists but all still LR bits 300TDI LR power steering and have just put on a set off discs brakes up front. Are you running the V6 TD or SD? Fraser Island was my playground growing up and the Gren has been there. Couldn't fault it once I figured all the safety features that want to change your driving habits but I would buy it again knowing what I know of it's capabillities. The LR lads are full on off road get stuck and recovery types so my time with these younger gen keeps the Gren on her toes. The Series now is off to church on Sundays

 

[Max]

As a side note before anyone asks, we have had the Disco for 9 years, over 130,000km most of it towing, touring and 4wding with the only issue a very annoying orange light to tell me the washer bottle is low with not one break down or fault
TOUCH WOOD NOW!!

We did the 23,000 klms around OZ before the children arrived in 81 in a MQ Patrol SD33 straight six. Like all vehicles it had it's issues but no orange lights bells or whistles, it was just keep an eye on things back then. We were young and ready for it with a three man tent and a truckies tarp to throw over an oregon pole A frame I made for our living quarters, still have that. I have never towed just the tents and now I am a swagman, rough but not as tuff these days so out comes the stretcher. I tell a lie, I tow a trailer when chasing deer at the top end of the Brisbane river. I am near 60,000 klms over and under some reasonable water rocks roads dirt normal stuff for a 4x4 and I have never driven a vehicle the soaks it up like the Grenadier more than brilliant even with an orange light[air bags], I'd buy again.

 

[Max]

Yes.

Just a side note the Land Rover club I am a member of is not precise about the vehicle you drive and welcomes all like minded people on board, I think I can say the same on here. No matter whether you are an owner, tyre kicker or just not sure, there's enough on here to turn you one way or another or sit on the fence. It is called freedom of choice and my freedom has a B57 under it's bonnet

 

[Mountain4x4]

I will make mine conditional. And, I do want a Quartermaster in 3 years to build. I want to see them tackle some failings, like improper plastic parts,( tanks, pans, ect) steering improvements, software access for shops, oil light reset, dip sticks, bad parts in general from suppliers, HVAC, ect. But if the driveshaft situation were not to be fixed, it would be a hard no. At that point its likely they would be forced by NITSA and law suits, but regardless. So that would be hard to believe. I want them to follow through and make these minor reliability and drivability improvements. If hardly any new updates came out, I would be a little sad maybe, but meh. Not in need of a bunch of flashy updates, or major re-designs, or massaging seats, or making it 1 foot longer...all the crap manufacturers seem to focus on until its a complicated, expensive mess. No major things need done, just minor tweaks and reliability issues. The front diff angle being the only really costly re-work.