So, knowing what you know, would you buy it again?

[Jeff Olson]

Knowing what I know, I would buy it again. I love my Grenadier! In fact, I would like to buy a Quartermaster as well.

I do not understand all the hand-wringing. The sky is not falling.

 

[terdrocket]

Somebody needs to pay the troll toll.
Those of us early purchasers bought in sight unseen and I am OK with that risk.
Eibach released what is truly a mild lift spring.
Eibach makes the factory springs. All seemed very cohesive and within the OEM families that make up this truck.
I received my springs within days of taking delivery of my truck in late 2023.
There was no posted warning of damage to the drive shaft from Eibach or anyone at that point.
No one could have thought that this was such an achilles heel at that time.
All this being said, I still love this truck.

 

[WJG-GMT II]

Chiming in because I just added a datapoint to the CV/driveshaft failure tally. Torn CV boot at the transfer case, stock suspension at 7,500 miles. I would argue that it should not be considered a wear item at all, but being charitable and accepting for the sake of argument that it is—should the thing that keeps the driveshaft joint lubricated need to be changed more frequently than motor oil? An item that was backordered for 6 weeks, no less. Maybe at 60k or 75k miles would be acceptable as preemptive maintenance.

Software beeps and door seals are one thing, but a design flaw (heat due to angle) related to the integrity of a drivetrain component is categorically not a “quirk”.

edit: As to whether I made an informed decision--I don't believe there were any reports of stock height failures at the time I purchased. Perhaps my experience can serve to inform a potential buyer. For the record, I love the truck, but Ineos' lack of communication on this topic is concerning.

I’ve seen the CEO on an interview-not remotely impressed.

 

[WJG-GMT II]

I've been on the fence since the pre-production days and finally got around to test-driving one this past week. The steer-by-wire does take some time to adjust, but not huge. However, despite SIr Jim's original design ethos of building a purpose-built vehicle along the lines of the old Defender, the amount of electronics the Grenny has is concerning to me. I suppose that's unavoidable today.

This thread has been informative, but, if anything, it may be pushing me to the side of buying an old Defender 110 and resto-modding it over buying a more 'modern' vehicle. The other thing that's clear for my situation is that I can't daily drive a Gren, as my daily has to be a low ground clearance vehicle, so the Gren would be like my Range Rover Classic, for going off-road.

I do hope the IG succeeds, but I guess only time will tell.

Unavoidable? Seems to me the best thing they could do is to strip out the screen and put in an old school speedo behind the wheel. Purely manual HVAC too.

 

[Cheshire cat]

Somebody needs to pay the troll toll.
Those of us early purchasers bought in sight unseen and I am OK with that risk.
Eibach released what is truly a mild lift spring.
Eibach makes the factory springs. All seemed very cohesive and within the OEM families that make up this truck.
I received my springs within days of taking delivery of my truck in late 2023.
There was no posted warning of damage to the drive shaft from Eibach or anyone at that point.
No one could have thought that this was such an achilles heel at that time.
All this being said, I still love this truck.

So, have the majority of Grenadiers that have been lifted suffered drive shaft failure? Or is it a very small %? The way I understand it, numbers are so small it has been difficult to find a definitive failure mode.

 

[Logsplitter]

My answer to would I buy it again is a resounding yes. What other vehicle could you take off the shelf and drive around the world in with no other modifications? Certainly no other new comparable vehicle I can think of.

 

[Dokatd]

My answer to would I buy it again is a resounding yes. What other vehicle could you take off the shelf and drive around the world in with no other modifications? Certainly no other new comparable vehicle I can think of.

I'd suggest there are a fair number of new vehicles that you can drive around the world in. That's not specifically a very demanding challenge these days. And a stock Grenadier is not particularly capable due to clearance. I bet a well equipped Subaru could get the job done in most situations and god I hate Subarus so that statement kills me.

 

[MattA]

My answer to would I buy it again is a resounding yes. What other vehicle could you take off the shelf and drive around the world in with no other modifications? Certainly no other new comparable vehicle I can think of.

Didn’t you have a whole heap of issues on your adventure that required attention and repair?

 

[Logsplitter]

Didn’t you have a whole heap of issues on your adventure that required attention and repair?

I did but I’ve also had issues with other vehicles over the course of my travels. Ineos sorted the issues out under warranty when I’m over 5000 miles away from home and on a different continent. What other manufacturer would give you that sort of warranty and honour it ?

 

[MattA]

I did but I’ve also had issues with other vehicles over the course of my travels. Ineos sorted the issues out under warranty when I’m over 5000 miles away from home and on a different continent. What other manufacturer would give you that sort of warranty and honour it ?

All manufacturers sold in Australia will and do honour warranty if a long away from home
Next year we are doing a 10,000km return trip to the top end, regardless of what vehicle I buy if new and under warranty it is covered anywhere it breaks down but it is a good attribute of IA to cover when anywhere on the planet

 

[Logsplitter]

I'd suggest there are a fair number of new vehicles that you can drive around the world in. That's not specifically a very demanding challenge these days. And a stock Grenadier is not particularly capable due to clearance. I bet a well equipped Subaru could get the job done in most situations and god I hate Subarus so that statement kills me.

II suppose it depends where you go around the world, if you stick to good roads you could certainly do it in many vehicles. . I like to go off piste and the Grenadier does that pretty well and is certainly more comfortable than my previous Defender and Japanese pickups. I used to have a Subaru Forester which was pretty tough and very competent on slippery slopes, although the ground clearance means you wouldn’t get far on the African roads I like to take.
My point is though that the Ineos came with everything you need from the factory, such as winch , pre wired switches , roof rack etc. Other vehicles would need extra spent on them to make them an overlanding ready set up.

 

[Slov]

I'd suggest there are a fair number of new vehicles that you can drive around the world in. That's not specifically a very demanding challenge these days. And a stock Grenadier is not particularly capable due to clearance. I bet a well equipped Subaru could get the job done in most situations and god I hate Subarus so that statement kills me.

I think at this point you should just sell your Grenadier . You really dont seem happy with IA or your Grenadier at all.

 

[Dokatd]

I think at this point you should just sell your Grenadier . You really dont seem happy with IA or your Grenadier at all.

Why when I can fix the problems myself. I'm not here to blow smoke up everyone's ass like many. I prefer to be honest and truthful.

 

[Slov]

Why when I can fix the problems myself. I'm not here to blow smoke up everyone's ass like many. I prefer to be honest and truthful.

That’s a fair point. You just seem very vocal about it. I don’t blame you. It’s your hard earned money. I’m just wondering if you’d rather have something else or you’re keeping it due to sunken cost belief?

I’m assuming you want to love the Grenadier but the drive shaft issue has completely changed your mind on it?

Full transparency: I want to love the Grenadier, since mind is on order, HA. I’d love to find a work around or for IA to own their design flaw sooner rather than later.

Sometimes forums can either be bash fests or only pure fanboyisim and I find ALOT of times reality is in between those two extremes that can appear evident. I don’t think IA will own it until a solution is made like one of the others mentioned. I’d prefer them to just tell us they’re working on a solution of the well known problem, but I get why they wouldn’t.

 

[Dokatd]

That’s a fair point. You just seem very vocal about it. I don’t blame you. It’s your hard earned money. I’m just wondering if you’d rather have something else or you’re keeping it due to sunken cost belief?

I’m assuming you want to love the Grenadier but the drive shaft issue has completely changed your mind on it?

Full transparency: I want to love the Grenadier, since mind is on order, HA. I’d love to find a work around or for IA to own their design flaw sooner rather than later.

Sometimes forums can either be bash fests or only pure fanboyisim and I find ALOT of times reality is in between those two extremes that can appear evident. I don’t think IA will own it until a solution is made like one of the others mentioned. I’d prefer them to just tell us they’re working on a solution of the well known problem, but I get why they wouldn’t.

I'm vocal because as you eluded we need balance here. And there are far more FanBois than realists here which makes since. I wouldn't give a rats ass about the money side, this is one of now more than 15 vehicles I own and operate for personal use.

What you aren't understanding is that the drive shaft issue is more than that. It's a whole host of issues as a result of a complete dosing failure on Ineos part. Poor steering and general handling are caused by the drive shaft issue. Or is it the other way around, who knows, but what is clear is that the front axle was not designed well at all resulting in a huge critical portion of the truck being severely compromised.

I don't really have HVAC issues, my software has not been updated and works ok, I don't seem to have the droneing sound in the rear trunk area. Etc etc, my truck has only been to Ineos for some simple stuff. There have been a couple things they "Couldn't Duplicate" but again my truck has only been back to dealer maybe twice since I bought it almost 2yrs ago.

What does get me a bit is the idea some have that this could be the next "Best 4x4 By Far". It's just simply not, it's average. If everyone was honest with themselves they would admit they bought it because it looks better/cooler than the rest of today's modern options. Ineos has epically failed to bring to market what they claimed in the beginning and it's unfortunate. They could have even faked it a bit better like they did with the physical key.

I have my days with the Grenadier that I love it and days I wish I had a more convenient cliff to drive it off, but I have made mine vastly better than it ever was stock and I have a few more changes to make. But most of all I realize is serious short comings and I try to keep others honest about them.

In your specific case there are about a dozen other options that would do the job better or the same for less money or at least more value. I felt it was right to have you question yourself a bit so at minimum you would know what you're getting into. The Grenadier is not just a Bronco that had a few recalls. It's a Bronco with a recall or two from a brand new company that's trying to sort out how to make, sell and service a vehicles. Ineos is on shaky ground, Ford is not. Your dream truck could end up being a nightmare if Ineos fails to launch. If you have unlimited funds to buy the Ineos then have at it, but if you are pushing your limits to fulfill a dream then you might pause and see what model year 2027 brings. It could be amazing or it could be just a dream and Ineos doesn't even make it.

 

[Jeff Olson]

Well, maybe the sky is falling…

 

[cyson]

What does get me a bit is the idea some have that this could be the next "Best 4x4 By Far". It's just simply not, it's average. If everyone was honest with themselves they would admit they bought it because it looks better/cooler than the rest of today's modern options. Ineos has epically failed to bring to market what they claimed in the beginning and it's unfortunate. They could have even faked it a bit better like they did with the physical key.

Of course that was an old Land Rover marketing phrase that wasn't true for them just as "Ultimate Driving Machine" wasn't true for BMWs.

You have to admit though, a Grenadier is as close to what an old solid axle Land Rover could be today. We are just pissed that they screwed up with the front axle.

 

[J&J]

Yes!
No issues with mine and love the build quality. Warranty is excellent and over time the learning curve for Ineos will only improve.

 

[Dokatd]

Of course that was an old Land Rover marketing phrase that wasn't true for them just as "Ultimate Driving Machine" wasn't true for BMWs.

You have to admit though, a Grenadier is as close to what an old solid axle Land Rover could be today. We are just pissed that they screwed up with the front axle.

You are accurate.

I do believe a few things could have been done a bit better in terms of going old school but they don't bother me.

One question I would love to get a non biased answer to from the forum is this. If the Grenadier had been built exactly how it exists today with or without the quirks but it looked like a Cyber Truck or maybe even just a Ford Escape would you have still bought it? Let's start that poll.

 

[HeavyFoot]

You are accurate.

I do believe a few things could have been done a bit better in terms of going old school but they don't bother me.

One question I would love to get a non biased answer to from the forum is this. If the Grenadier had been built exactly how it exists today with or without the quirks but it looked like a Cyber Truck or maybe even just a Ford Escape would you have still bought it? Let's start that poll.

This seems like a “Does this dress make me look fat?” or “If I looked like her but was the same person on the inside, would you still love me?” kind of question. Would Trump have married Melania if she looked different? Looks are part of the appeal. I think most here will admit that. But if you take the Escape, change the clearance, dep and app angles, triple locked, equal cargo room, carry capacity on roof, overbuilt frame, comfortable seats and ride, and slap on a cool name, yes, I think a lot of us would buy one. But then you’d have a Grenadier. Cybertruck?
Quirks can be charming or different. A quirk to some may be a deal breaker to others.
The axle issue is the only issue I see in the long term (assuming resetting lights and software issues become resolved) that will hold people away.