So, knowing what you know, would you buy it again?

[evomind]

This is well said. I have zero sympathy for the complainers. You chose to purchase a new product from a new manufacturer. Did you not do your homework? Unless you purchased your Grenadier in the early days, there is no excuse for not being aware of potential quirks.

Yes, there are some quirks that I find irritating - such as the Auto Light Sensor and the bi-polar AC.

What does concerns me is:

• drive shaft angle - I'm hopeful the aftermarket will find a reasonable fix. Otherwise, I plan on carrying a spare for my offroad adventures.
• Dealer Service - when the day comes, I can only hope that my local dealer is capable. Otherwise, I'll have to find the next closest one.
• Ineos Automotive Longevity - If they fold, how will we get components that aren't provided by the aftermarket?
• Field Serviceable - I believed Ineos when they said they were building something that could be repaired in the field. But this does not appear to be the case. The service manual is just now becoming available. But will some "limp mode" electronic thingy cause problems? Will I void the warranty by doing a field repair?

However, after considering the above, I chose to accept the risk and drive away in a new IG.

I can't answer the "would you buy it again" question. I have only had mine for 3 weeks and 960 miles. I purchased an offroader that will also second as my daily driver. Meaning the offroad capabilities are more important to me than the creature comforts desired for the urban jungle. In the last 10 years, I went from a LR4 to a Jeep Gladiator as my offroad journeys become more challenging. My Gladiator was an absolute beast with everything I threw at it. The IG has some big shoes to fill, but I was ready for a new project. Fingers crossed; I hope I didn't make a poor decision.

A bum driveshaft is NOT a quirk.
As far as modding it for better offroad you do little else but pull the pin on the grenade.
I can live with quirks.
The driveshaft issue goes way beyond that.

 

[Commodore]

A bum driveshaft is NOT a quirk.
As far as modding it for better offroad you do little else but pull the pin on the grenade.
I can live with quirks.
The driveshaft issue goes way beyond that.

Yup, it a real issue. The rest are quirks. I don’t think it would keep me from buying it again but only because I do believe there will be a reasonable aftermarket solution in the near future.

 

[abbeyroad]

Waiting for Godot in the form of an aftermarket driveshaft is pure dross imho. The aftermarket almost never uses OEM quality components and typically only design them for lifted vehicles.

I want what I purchased new from factory that came with my IG to be covered under warranty in the event that it fails within the warranty period. If IA is citing bigger tires for denial of claim, this is really an indictment on their poor design decision rather than a 1" taller tire somehow magically causing the boot to tear or the pinion angle to change (it doesn't at all whatsoever).

 

[HeavyFoot]

Waiting for Godot in the form of an aftermarket driveshaft is pure dross imho. The aftermarket almost never uses OEM quality components and typically only design them for lifted vehicles.

I want what I purchased new from factory that came with my IG to be covered under warranty in the event that it fails within the warranty period. If IA is citing bigger tires for denial of claim, this is really an indictment on their poor design decision rather than a 1" taller tire somehow magically causing the boot to tear or the pinion angle to change (it doesn't at all whatsoever).

Have any claims been denied for larger tires alone? I’ve not read of any. At least in the states.

 

[Tom109]

@LRNAD90 & @pl626 - All of us old LR people really hoped for an old-made-new 110, but that’s not going to happen today, at any factory. Just a sign of the modern world. You can certainly restomod a 110 for the cost of a Grenadier or even more, but it’s still a 35+yo LR.

I’ve held on to my ‘95 RRC LWB but am ready to let it go.

 

[theWhiskeyRebel]

A bum driveshaft is NOT a quirk.
As far as modding it for better offroad you do little else but pull the pin on the grenade.
I can live with quirks.
The driveshaft issue goes way beyond that.

quirk, bug, feature, failure, insert your descriptor of choice... you did your homework? were aware of the risk? and made an informed decision, yes?

 

[grenhulk]

quirk, bug, feature, failure, insert your descriptor of choice... you did your homework? were aware of the risk? and made an informed decision, yes?

Chiming in because I just added a datapoint to the CV/driveshaft failure tally. Torn CV boot at the transfer case, stock suspension at 7,500 miles. I would argue that it should not be considered a wear item at all, but being charitable and accepting for the sake of argument that it is—should the thing that keeps the driveshaft joint lubricated need to be changed more frequently than motor oil? An item that was backordered for 6 weeks, no less. Maybe at 60k or 75k miles would be acceptable as preemptive maintenance.

Software beeps and door seals are one thing, but a design flaw (heat due to angle) related to the integrity of a drivetrain component is categorically not a “quirk”.

edit: As to whether I made an informed decision--I don't believe there were any reports of stock height failures at the time I purchased. Perhaps my experience can serve to inform a potential buyer. For the record, I love the truck, but Ineos' lack of communication on this topic is concerning.