Side lights

[Blackwolf]

I suspect that there are significant cultural and national differences here, but this is certainly an issue in the UK and any other countries subject to EC regulations (which the UK has chosen to be post Brexit). In our crowded part of the globe it is common and often unavoidable to park on the road.

My (excellent) dealer has now raised a technical ticket with Ineos on the matter, when I hear what they have to say I will post.

 

[landmannnn]

I suspect that there are significant cultural and national differences here, but this is certainly an issue in the UK and any other countries subject to EC regulations (which the UK has chosen to be post Brexit). In our crowded part of the globe it is common and often unavoidable to park on the road.

My (excellent) dealer has now raised a technical ticket with Ineos on the matter, when I hear what they have to say I will post.

Did you see that post on Facebook where somebody did the same?
The response from IA was that the Grenadiers is not fitted with parking lights.

 

[Eric]

I suspect that there are significant cultural and national differences here, but this is certainly an issue in the UK and any other countries subject to EC regulations (which the UK has chosen to be post Brexit). In our crowded part of the globe it is common and often unavoidable to park on the road.

My (excellent) dealer has now raised a technical ticket with Ineos on the matter, when I hear what they have to say I will post.

Did you see that post on Facebook where somebody did the same?
The response from IA was that the Grenadiers is not fitted with parking lights.

Agree with that and the implications. But it is @Blackwolf point that the issue hinges on. Does the ignition circuit constitute a " second switch " within the context of the legislation and MOT. Obviously IA believes it doesn't.

 

[Blackwolf]

The Grenadier is indeed not fitted with "parking lights", and in fact there is no legal definition of the term. The Grenadier is however most definitely fitted with "obligatory front and rear position lamps", a term which is very clearly defined in law.

It is the manner of operation of the obligatory front and rear position lamps and whether this meets the requirements that is being questioned.

Ultimately the truth of the matter may come down to the interpretation of the relevant legislation and an understanding of exactly which regulations are applicable. I am not, and I doubt that anyone on this forum is, in a position to provide a definitive interpretation of the law (only a court can do that). I am sure that there are people at Ineos better qualified than I and it is these people to whom I'd like to speak.

What is beyond doubt is that at present the Grenadier is a vehicle which by design makes it impossible for the driver to comply with the law under certain circumstances. It could further be argued, quite convincingly I believe, that by virtue of the car's design Ineos is "causing or permitting" an offence under the RVLR Regulation 24 (quoted in my earlier posts), the word "causing" being significant.

Anyway I will await a reply from IA via my dealer.

 

[landmannnn]

The Grenadier is indeed not fitted with "parking lights", and in fact there is no legal definition of the term. The Grenadier is however most definitely fitted with "obligatory front and rear position lamps", a term which is very clearly defined in law.

It is the manner of operation of the obligatory front and rear position lamps and whether this meets the requirements that is being questioned.

The right answer!

 

[CrazyOldMan]

I didn't suggest that the US is interested in UNECE. Not sure where you got that from.

I didn’t think you had - what I was saying is that we (US) are rather uncooperative and so therefore unlikely to follow suit. Sorry if my wording was obscure

I didn't suggest that the US is interested in UNECE. Not sure where you got that from.

I didn’t