Should I ? - Wheels

[Cheshire cat]

Read a paper online from Bentley motors. The outcome was that lubricant was not a good idea on wheel studs. My empirical experience over 45 years motoring whereby I always used CopperSlip has so far never involved loss of a wheel or further torquing between services.
That said I don’t doubt the science regarding clean / dry surfaces being theoretically better.

 

[Andrew Kilby]

Hi

I have answered this several times and each time slightly differently.

1. I am about to turn 60 and I am looking for a new car that will last me 20 years
2. I will be moving to the country by the sea in January 2023
3. The new vehicle needs to meet a wide range of needs such as
   1. long drives on the highway and back roads
   2. Visits to Fraser island driving on the sand
   3. gravel and dirt roads in the country, rural areas and national parks
   4. trips to hardware and landscape supplies
   5. picking up international business visitors from airport/hotel
   6. customer site visits at mines, treatment plants, construction sites and chemical plants
   7. Shops, restaurants and general running around.
   8. I like quirky and interesting vehicles only.
   9. Has to look good not round and bland.
   10. Needed to have a bull bar and driving light capability.
   11. Wanted a wagon not a UTE
4. I spent two years test driving all sorts of vehicles and could not find a single one that met most of these needs, until I found the Grenadier on YouTube in February this year.
   1. Landcruiser/Prado - excellent vehicles but as exciting as the midday news.
   2. Landrover new Defender - I doubt will last 10 years let alone 20 and too much electronics and gismo's
   3. Jeep Wrangler/Gladiator- poor build quality, on road performance, safety rating and reliability that Jeep will stay in Australia
   4. Mercedes - GLC/GLE/G Wagon - too expensive and can't do any offroad in reality
   5. BMW same as MB
   6. Old Defender - seriously considered until the prices went stupid.
   7. Grenadier - seems to meet most/all of my requirements

I went through the same exercise and came to the same answer. I added in Toyota 70 series but only in manual and you can't order them now.

 

[rovie]

Read a paper online from Bentley motors. The outcome was that lubricant was not a good idea on wheel studs. My empirical experience over 45 years motoring whereby I always used CopperSlip has so far never involved loss of a wheel or further torquing between services.
That said I don’t doubt the science regarding clean / dry surfaces being theoretically better.

I also use copper paste. That's what you learned in the past and it doesn't hurt. However, not in combination with aluminium rims!

 

[DaveB]

I went through the same exercise and came to the same answer. I added in Toyota 70 series but only in manual and you can't order them now.

I never took the 70 series seriously as an option because it isn't something I could live with daily without spending another $25,000 on to make it comfortable.
You shouldn't have to add your own sound proofing, suspension and creature comforts to a car that expensive.

 

[Shaky]

I never took the 70 series seriously as an option because it isn't something I could live with daily without spending another $25,000 on to make it comfortable.
You shouldn't have to add your own sound proofing, suspension and creature comforts to a car that expensive.

Whilst a agree with you, the same can be said for the original series I, II, IIA, III, 90, 110, and most of the defender iterations.

My other half had a romantic notion of getting a defender a couple of years ago, having never driven one. I told her to forget it.

 

[Tazzieman]

Read a paper online from Bentley motors. The outcome was that lubricant was not a good idea on wheel studs. My empirical experience over 45 years motoring whereby I always used CopperSlip has so far never involved loss of a wheel or further torquing between services.
That said I don’t doubt the science regarding clean / dry surfaces being theoretically better.

My experience from owning old land Rovers as well as Benzes and Porsches (much better metallurgy), If you buy a 2nd hand car where someone has bothered to clean the threads,
it's very likely someone will have used a wire brush , thus removing the bolt coating.
A recipe for corrosion and seizing.
Sooner or later someone will pop some grease/antiseize on.
I've never had a loose wheel bolt situation and I haven't always used a torque wrench.
If you buy a new car and religiously care for it and never drive in salty water etc , well that is the perfect world of textbooks.

 

[Fidei Defensor]

17" Alloy, 18" alloy, 17" steel then 18" steel
Which looks best????
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[Fidei Defensor]

OOps: somehow I sent an "empty" reply. 17" or 18"? Depends on how you use the vehicle. If you go off-road, the 17" will give you more tire depth a d complance, which greatly increases if you air down your tires.. The 18* may "marginally" improve on-road handling.. Then you need to look at tire availability for each size, especially for off-road tires (probably a small issue, now that many 4x4 have gone to (at least) 17" to accomodate larger brakes, Used to be that the "gold standard" in availability of off-road tires was 16"....... for the additional tire wall depth.

 

[DaveB]

OOps: somehow I sent an "empty" reply. 17" or 18"? Depends on how you use the vehicle. If you go off-road, the 17" will give you more tire depth a d complance, which greatly increases if you air down your tires.. The 18* may "marginally" improve on-road handling.. Then you need to look at tire availability for each size, especially for off-road tires (probably a small issue, now that many 4x4 have gone to (at least) 17" to accomodate larger brakes, Used to be that the "gold standard" in availability of off-road tires was 16"....... for the additional tire wall depth.

I have gone for the 17" alloys

 

[DaveB]

Genuine question, Dave … If it’s highly unlikely that you'll be doing any serious off-roading, why are you buying a Grenadier?

I meant technical rock hopping body damaging offroading

 

[Shaky]

I have gone for the 17” alloys in the end.

Went to my agents today and basically they have my vehicle in the showroom. I had a bit of buyers remote when I saw the steel wheels. However on reflection I think I will still like the alloys.

It’s Donny “everyone has it” Grey

 

[DaveB]

I have gone for the 17” alloys in the end.

Went to my agents today and basically they have my vehicle in the showroom. I had a bit of buyers remote when I saw the steel wheels. However on reflection I think I will still like the alloys.

It’s Donny “everyone has it” Grey

I have also gone for the Donny Gray, Gunmetal gray,
I have decided it is easier to describe it as Metallic Black

 

[DaveB]

Hi

I have answered this several times and each time slightly differently.

1. I am about to turn 60 and I am looking for a new car that will last me 20 years
2. I will be moving to the country by the sea in January 2023
3. The new vehicle needs to meet a wide range of needs such as
   1. long drives on the highway and back roads
   2. Visits to Fraser island driving on the sand
   3. gravel and dirt roads in the country, rural areas and national parks
   4. trips to hardware and landscape supplies
   5. picking up international business visitors from airport/hotel
   6. customer site visits at mines, treatment plants, construction sites and chemical plants
   7. Shops, restaurants and general running around.
   8. I like quirky and interesting vehicles only.
   9. Has to look good not round and bland.
   10. Needed to have a bull bar and driving light capability.
   11. Wanted a wagon not a UTE
4. I spent two years test driving all sorts of vehicles and could not find a single one that met most of these needs, until I found the Grenadier on YouTube in February this year.
   1. Landcruiser/Prado - excellent vehicles but as exciting as the midday news.
   2. Landrover new Defender - I doubt will last 10 years let alone 20 and too much electronics and gismo's
   3. Jeep Wrangler/Gladiator- poor build quality, on road performance, safety rating and reliability that Jeep will stay in Australia
   4. Mercedes - GLC/GLE/G Wagon - too expensive and can't do any offroad in reality
   5. BMW same as MB
   6. Old Defender - seriously considered until the prices went stupid.
   7. Grenadier - seems to meet most/all of my requirements

Wow.
This old post from me in October 2022 popped up today as someone gave it a thumbs up.
I reread the post to see if after a year of ownership the Grenadier still meets all of my requirements.

The simple answer is ..........YES......and more than I hoped for.

 

[Max]

Wow.
This old post from me in October 2022 popped up today as someone gave it a thumbs up.
I reread the post to see if after a year of ownership the Grenadier still meets all of my requirements.

The simple answer is ..........YES......and more than I hoped for.

A great old post and what has been added reads like and Advertisement for the Grenadier, the Beast.

 

[John Acosta]

Steel for sure! I would love to know if anyone makes a sawtooth style wheel? I see these used in defender restomods and looks great. I see Khan makes a similar wheel but it’s too large.