Roof power outlets

[Dawid Potgieter]

Before I buy expensive work lights to put on the roof, can someone confirm if there is power in the external roof mounted outlets with the vehicle switched off? No point for me mounting work/camping lights on the roof if they will only have power with the vehicle switched on.

 

[DenisM]

There's a specific roof switch which when turned ON, powers all external roof outlets, the cargo area outlet and usb ports when the ignition key is withdrawn..

 

[Dawid Potgieter]

Thanks. I am aware of the switches. Have been using the cargo bay 12v socket in that way. I assumed the roof outlets would be similar. I don't have anything to plug into the roof outlets yet to test, and saw someone else comment that his only work with the ignition on. I don't want to buy expensive lights if it won't work without the ignition on, hence my question. Which roof switch switches on the USB outlets in the vehicle? I haven't come across that yet...

 

[TheDocAUS]

Before I buy expensive work lights to put on the roof, can someone confirm if there is power in the external roof mounted outlets with the vehicle switched off? No point for me mounting work/camping lights on the roof if they will only have power with the vehicle switched on.

Yes they work when the car is switched off. The PWR switch and the relevant rooftop circuit switch must be turned on also (there are two roof circuits). The Rok Dr Guide reveals all around page 9 and following (link in Item 1 under first heading below).

Rooftop outlets use Deutsch DTP plugs, see link in Item 4, under the first heading.

There are threads here with different lights owners have used on the rooftop outlets. The threads fall into three broad categories, front facing LED lightbars (or spot lights), rear facing work lights or side mounted work lights/camping lights. For example here, camping lights fitted to the roof grab bar.

PLACE TO START FOR NEW OWNERS

1. Download and use the Rok Dr Guide here. Print out a copy and keep it in the car;
2. Grenadier Accessories (huge selection) for you to buy here;
3. Kanvas bags and products here;
4. Information concerning Deutsch DTP plugs here;
5. Learn more about the CTEK SMARTPASS 120S and 250SE here;
6. Fuse and relay thread here;
7. Suggested Grenadier or QM fuses spares kit here;
8. Littelfuse FHZ busbars used in the Grenadier here. It also informs you where all the busbar cables go;
9. Finding the aux power outlets in the footwells here;
10. Table describing all the available wire ends here and here (more wire ends if you selected the high aux power option);
11. Various recommended torque settings here;
12. Tool kits for the Grenadier/QM discussed here and here;
13. L track information here;
14. Oil filter part numbers and third party filters here;
15. INEOS Air filter parts numbers and cabin filter here;
16. Filter for Diesel water separator here;
17. Understanding the NATO plug on the Grenadier here;
18. What do you use on bolts/screws to stop corrosion, galling and seizing here;
19. Guide to terminal crimping here;
20. Anderson plug pitfalls here;
21. Outback driving tips here; and
22. Cheap battery monitors here.

INSTALLATION (OR HOW TO) GUIDES

1. SEAT COVERS: Canny Outdoors video fitting seat covers here;
2. SPOT LIGHT REPLACEMENTS: Mounting Kit of Exezit Lights here and KC Hilites here;
3. SIDE MIRRORS: Installing SUMA Performance side mirrors here;
4. WORKLIGHTS: XHQ Work light here, with installation instructions here, STEDI Work light here and here;
5. RETROFITTING A RED WINCH: Installation guide here;
6. REAR ROOF SHELF: Canny Outdoors video installing KAON rear roof shelf here and a Travel Buddy oven fitted to a rear shelf here;
7. ROCK SLIDERS (ABNTR4X4): Installation video for ABNTR4x4 Rock Sliders here, with suggested improvements for tougher environments here;
8. ROO BAR: Installing the Roo Bar here;
9. ROO BAR LED LIGHTBAR: Installing a 20 inch Lightforce Viper lightbar under the Roo Bar Hoop here;
10. UHF (CB) RADIO: How to install a UHF (CB) Radio in an INEOS Grenadier without drilling any holes here;
11. UNDER-BODY ARMOR (RIVAL): Installing Rival under-body armor here;
12. UNDER-BODY ARMOR (CUSTOM OFFROAD) BASH PLATES: The installation thread is here;
13. UNDER-BODY ARMOR (CUSTOM OFFROAD DIFF PROTECTORS): Installing the diff protectors and trailing arm protectors is here and the PDF here;
14. UNDER-BODY ARMOR (ERO FLO FUEL FILTER GUARD): The installation thread is here and the PDF here;
15. SIDE STEPS: Electric side steps installation guide here;
16. INSTALLING AFTERMARKET SPEAKERS IN FRONT DOORS: instructions here, German language install here;
17. INSTALLING BLACK SHEEP NUMBER PLATE HOLDER (US/AU models with OEM winches) here;
18. INSTALLING REDARC TowPro Elite3: look here;
19. INSTALLING THE WOLF G900 DASHCAM: Loc Nar's detailed installation guide here;
20. B PILLAR (DISASSEMBLING): look here with detailed instructions here;
21. REMOVE RAISED INTAKE and replace with grille here;
22. INGEMAR’S GRENADIER HOW TO SERIES here and here (e.g winching, offroad modes, diffs, etc);
23. INEOS FORUM resources here;
24. INEOS Fitting Guides here, at least 9 guides from INEOS and Rhino Rack.

 

[DenisM]

Thanks. I am aware of the switches. Have been using the cargo bay 12v socket in that way. I assumed the roof outlets would be similar. I don't have anything to plug into the roof outlets yet to test, and saw someone else comment that his only work with the ignition on. I don't want to buy expensive lights if it won't work without the ignition on, hence my question. Which roof switch switches on the USB outlets in the vehicle? I haven't come across that yet...

It's all in the owner's manual. It's worth reading! Further, strongly suggest you purchase a cheap multimeter and check the outlets for yourself.... You can learn a lot that way

 

[Dawid Potgieter]

It's all in the owner's manual. It's worth reading! Further, strongly suggest you purchase a cheap multimeter and check the outlets for yourself.... You can learn a lot that way

Would have read the owners manual if I actually received one at the time of purchase.

 

[Dawid Potgieter]

Yes they work when the car is switched off. The PWR switch and the relevant rooftop circuit switch must be turned on also (there are two roof circuits). The Rok Dr Guide reveals all around page 9 and following (link in Item 1 under first heading below).

Rooftop outlets use Deutsch DTP plugs, see link in Item 4, under the first heading.

There are threads here with different lights owners have used on the rooftop outlets. The threads fall into three broad categories, front facing LED lightbars (or spot lights), rear facing work lights or side mounted work lights/camping lights. For example here, camping lights fitted to the roof grab bar.

PLACE TO START FOR NEW OWNERS

1. Download and use the Rok Dr Guide here. Print out a copy and keep it in the car;
2. Grenadier Accessories (huge selection) for you to buy here;
3. Kanvas bags and products here;
4. Information concerning Deutsch DTP plugs here;
5. Learn more about the CTEK SMARTPASS 120S and 250SE here;
6. Fuse and relay thread here;
7. Suggested Grenadier or QM fuses spares kit here;
8. Littelfuse FHZ busbars used in the Grenadier here. It also informs you where all the busbar cables go;
9. Finding the aux power outlets in the footwells here;
10. Table describing all the available wire ends here and here (more wire ends if you selected the high aux power option);
11. Various recommended torque settings here;
12. Tool kits for the Grenadier/QM discussed here and here;
13. L track information here;
14. Oil filter part numbers and third party filters here;
15. INEOS Air filter parts numbers and cabin filter here;
16. Filter for Diesel water separator here;
17. Understanding the NATO plug on the Grenadier here;
18. What do you use on bolts/screws to stop corrosion, galling and seizing here;
19. Guide to terminal crimping here;
20. Anderson plug pitfalls here;
21. Outback driving tips here; and
22. Cheap battery monitors here.

INSTALLATION (OR HOW TO) GUIDES

1. SEAT COVERS: Canny Outdoors video fitting seat covers here;
2. SPOT LIGHT REPLACEMENTS: Mounting Kit of Exezit Lights here and KC Hilites here;
3. SIDE MIRRORS: Installing SUMA Performance side mirrors here;
4. WORKLIGHTS: XHQ Work light here, with installation instructions here, STEDI Work light here and here;
5. RETROFITTING A RED WINCH: Installation guide here;
6. REAR ROOF SHELF: Canny Outdoors video installing KAON rear roof shelf here and a Travel Buddy oven fitted to a rear shelf here;
7. ROCK SLIDERS (ABNTR4X4): Installation video for ABNTR4x4 Rock Sliders here, with suggested improvements for tougher environments here;
8. ROO BAR: Installing the Roo Bar here;
9. ROO BAR LED LIGHTBAR: Installing a 20 inch Lightforce Viper lightbar under the Roo Bar Hoop here;
10. UHF (CB) RADIO: How to install a UHF (CB) Radio in an INEOS Grenadier without drilling any holes here;
11. UNDER-BODY ARMOR (RIVAL): Installing Rival under-body armor here;
12. UNDER-BODY ARMOR (CUSTOM OFFROAD) BASH PLATES: The installation thread is here;
13. UNDER-BODY ARMOR (CUSTOM OFFROAD DIFF PROTECTORS): Installing the diff protectors and trailing arm protectors is here and the PDF here;
14. UNDER-BODY ARMOR (ERO FLO FUEL FILTER GUARD): The installation thread is here and the PDF here;
15. SIDE STEPS: Electric side steps installation guide here;
16. INSTALLING AFTERMARKET SPEAKERS IN FRONT DOORS: instructions here, German language install here;
17. INSTALLING BLACK SHEEP NUMBER PLATE HOLDER (US/AU models with OEM winches) here;
18. INSTALLING REDARC TowPro Elite3: look here;
19. INSTALLING THE WOLF G900 DASHCAM: Loc Nar's detailed installation guide here;
20. B PILLAR (DISASSEMBLING): look here with detailed instructions here;
21. REMOVE RAISED INTAKE and replace with grille here;
22. INGEMAR’S GRENADIER HOW TO SERIES here and here (e.g winching, offroad modes, diffs, etc);
23. INEOS FORUM resources here;
24. INEOS Fitting Guides here, at least 9 guides from INEOS and Rhino Rack.

I read Dr Rok's guide

Yes they work when the car is switched off. The PWR switch and the relevant rooftop circuit switch must be turned on also (there are two roof circuits). The Rok Dr Guide reveals all around page 9 and following (link in Item 1 under first heading below).

Rooftop outlets use Deutsch DTP plugs, see link in Item 4, under the first heading.

There are threads here with different lights owners have used on the rooftop outlets. The threads fall into three broad categories, front facing LED lightbars (or spot lights), rear facing work lights or side mounted work lights/camping lights. For example here, camping lights fitted to the roof grab bar.

PLACE TO START FOR NEW OWNERS

1. Download and use the Rok Dr Guide here. Print out a copy and keep it in the car;
2. Grenadier Accessories (huge selection) for you to buy here;
3. Kanvas bags and products here;
4. Information concerning Deutsch DTP plugs here;
5. Learn more about the CTEK SMARTPASS 120S and 250SE here;
6. Fuse and relay thread here;
7. Suggested Grenadier or QM fuses spares kit here;
8. Littelfuse FHZ busbars used in the Grenadier here. It also informs you where all the busbar cables go;
9. Finding the aux power outlets in the footwells here;
10. Table describing all the available wire ends here and here (more wire ends if you selected the high aux power option);
11. Various recommended torque settings here;
12. Tool kits for the Grenadier/QM discussed here and here;
13. L track information here;
14. Oil filter part numbers and third party filters here;
15. INEOS Air filter parts numbers and cabin filter here;
16. Filter for Diesel water separator here;
17. Understanding the NATO plug on the Grenadier here;
18. What do you use on bolts/screws to stop corrosion, galling and seizing here;
19. Guide to terminal crimping here;
20. Anderson plug pitfalls here;
21. Outback driving tips here; and
22. Cheap battery monitors here.

INSTALLATION (OR HOW TO) GUIDES

1. SEAT COVERS: Canny Outdoors video fitting seat covers here;
2. SPOT LIGHT REPLACEMENTS: Mounting Kit of Exezit Lights here and KC Hilites here;
3. SIDE MIRRORS: Installing SUMA Performance side mirrors here;
4. WORKLIGHTS: XHQ Work light here, with installation instructions here, STEDI Work light here and here;
5. RETROFITTING A RED WINCH: Installation guide here;
6. REAR ROOF SHELF: Canny Outdoors video installing KAON rear roof shelf here and a Travel Buddy oven fitted to a rear shelf here;
7. ROCK SLIDERS (ABNTR4X4): Installation video for ABNTR4x4 Rock Sliders here, with suggested improvements for tougher environments here;
8. ROO BAR: Installing the Roo Bar here;
9. ROO BAR LED LIGHTBAR: Installing a 20 inch Lightforce Viper lightbar under the Roo Bar Hoop here;
10. UHF (CB) RADIO: How to install a UHF (CB) Radio in an INEOS Grenadier without drilling any holes here;
11. UNDER-BODY ARMOR (RIVAL): Installing Rival under-body armor here;
12. UNDER-BODY ARMOR (CUSTOM OFFROAD) BASH PLATES: The installation thread is here;
13. UNDER-BODY ARMOR (CUSTOM OFFROAD DIFF PROTECTORS): Installing the diff protectors and trailing arm protectors is here and the PDF here;
14. UNDER-BODY ARMOR (ERO FLO FUEL FILTER GUARD): The installation thread is here and the PDF here;
15. SIDE STEPS: Electric side steps installation guide here;
16. INSTALLING AFTERMARKET SPEAKERS IN FRONT DOORS: instructions here, German language install here;
17. INSTALLING BLACK SHEEP NUMBER PLATE HOLDER (US/AU models with OEM winches) here;
18. INSTALLING REDARC TowPro Elite3: look here;
19. INSTALLING THE WOLF G900 DASHCAM: Loc Nar's detailed installation guide here;
20. B PILLAR (DISASSEMBLING): look here with detailed instructions here;
21. REMOVE RAISED INTAKE and replace with grille here;
22. INGEMAR’S GRENADIER HOW TO SERIES here and here (e.g winching, offroad modes, diffs, etc);
23. INEOS FORUM resources here;
24. INEOS Fitting Guides here, at least 9 guides from INEOS and Rhino Rack.

I somehow missed that part in Dr Rok's guide. I knew the PWR switch had to be on for the 12v socket in the load bay, but didn't realise the switch also powers the roof outlets. I found it in Dr Rok's manual last night.

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

Very simply, yes. Turn on the PWR switch.

 

[DenisM]

Would have read the owners manual if I actually received one at the time of purchase.

My apologies for "jumping to conclusions"... Have you managed to acquire an Owner's Manual as yet? If not, it's available as a PDF download on the Ineos website. I have a copy on the SD card in my Samsung phone, along with Rok_dr's guide.

 

[smartoid]

Wondering if anyone can confirm the following query please. Regarding the factory fitted wiring for roof rail power outlets, I’m in the process of purchasing a UK 2023 Fieldmaster, that doesn’t have the electrical enclosures fitted. Does this mean the Fieldmaster doesn’t come with these as standard spec, or can I retrofit them, including adding additional switches from the overhead cockpit panel and wiring? TIA

 

[Jeremy996]

Wondering if anyone can confirm the following query please. Regarding the factory fitted wiring for roof rail power outlets, I’m in the process of purchasing a UK 2023 Fieldmaster, that doesn’t have the electrical enclosures fitted. Does this mean the Fieldmaster doesn’t come with these as standard spec, or can I retrofit them, including adding additional switches from the overhead cockpit panel and wiring? TIA

The Fieldmaster is more plush and less Action Man, so the extended wiring is not a given as it is a £1,170 build option.

Retrofitting them in full would be an absolute bear, you would have to take most of the interior apart, so if you really need it, find one already fitted with the High Load Auxiliary Switch Panel & Electrical Preparation.

You could buy the switches and get your local auto-electrician to put in what you actually need, but you would be wandering away from standard.

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

There’s a lot of vehicles available, I’d be awfully tempted to find one ready fitted with it - same if you want a towbar or difflocks. These things will also help residuals and make it easier to sell at a later date.

 

[smartoid]

The Fieldmaster is more plush and less Action Man, so the extended wiring is not a given as it is a £1,170 build option.

Retrofitting them in full would be an absolute bear, you would have to take most of the interior apart, so if you really need it, find one already fitted with the High Load Auxiliary Switch Panel & Electrical Preparation.

You could buy the switches and get your local auto-electrician to put in what you actually need, but you would be wandering away from standard.

Thanks Jeremy, this confirms my knowledge so far and appreciate what you describe as a pig of a job to retro fit. I think if I do go for any roof mounted power outlets, I’ll devise an alternative option.