Parking the Ineos

[cdsvt]

I'm expecting a lot of hate and flames, but I want to share that I'm parking my Grenadier until we're through the worst of the winter weather.

The Ineos is sure footed and reliable, but in the deep cold and wintery weather, it has several annoyances that I'm not enjoying:

• Lackluster spray volume and variable jet shape spray of the windshield washer jets
• Windshield icing that requires full blast hot air to mitigate, roasting the cabin occupants
• Wipers that don't clean well (even after replacement)
• Headlight buckets that collect snow, salt residue, and ice reducing light output
• Systems disabled and warning lights when front camera is obscured by snow/ice/salt residue

I drove my 200 series Land Cruiser today instead, and it doesn't suffer from any of these problems, and as a bonus it has heated seats, steering wheel, and wipers. I find it to be a much better car for these conditions.

 

[Shaky]

You are clearly having bad weather in the states, I can’t comment on the snow bits or the icing, as England only has mild winters and actually gave a weather warning as temps are going to plummet to -4 next week . So driving in snow is a pipe dream at the minute.

However rain is a big problem and if it rains any more I might park mine and get a boat !!

Mine does have heated seats though.

I can see what you mean about the headlights though as modern lights don’t give out any meaningful heat and the Ineos has a forward facing bucket surrounding them.

 

[Cheshire cat]

I'm expecting a lot of hate and flames, but I want to share that I'm parking my Grenadier until we're through the worst of the winter weather.

The Ineos is sure footed and reliable, but in the deep cold and wintery weather, it has several annoyances that I'm not enjoying:

• Lackluster spray volume and variable jet shape spray of the windshield washer jets
• Windshield icing that requires full blast hot air to mitigate, roasting the cabin occupants
• Wipers that don't clean well (even after replacement)
• Headlight buckets that collect snow, salt residue, and ice reducing light output
• Systems disabled and warning lights when front camera is obscured by snow/ice/salt residue

I drove my 200 series Land Cruiser today instead, and it doesn't suffer from any of these problems, and as a bonus it has heated seats, steering wheel, and wipers. I find it to be a much better car for these conditions.

Hi cdsvt
No flaming or criticism here. Although very happy with my Grenadier regardless of weather. Shaky and me are both from the UK where, with the exception of the rain we seldom get the extremes you are used to. You have chosen to use the Toyota because in certain circumstances, it appears to better suit your needs. Nothing wrong with that. As time moves on, no doubt many of your problems with the Grenadier will have alternative work a rounds in the same way as the old style Defenders.

 

[Brad@SuperiorCO]

The problems exist, and can be irritating. Some are design related, some are new technology. I guess they designed it for Africa... G Wagons have the same problem with new LED headlights. My Touareg had an equally poor heating system. Colorado is having a non-winter this year, so I don't have to deal with it. But if we were having a real winter, I would be with you, and it would be parked during all the crappy weather.

 

[Tom109]

We are having an Arctic Winter this year. Typically 0F overnight and plenty of snow. I’m completely honest when I say I never use the defrost vents, even during an ice storm just before New Years Eve. Hot out of the floor and dash clears all the windows.

 

[Bayford]

I'm expecting a lot of hate and flames, but I want to share that I'm parking my Grenadier until we're through the worst of the winter weather.

The Ineos is sure footed and reliable, but in the deep cold and wintery weather, it has several annoyances that I'm not enjoying:

• Lackluster spray volume and variable jet shape spray of the windshield washer jets
• Windshield icing that requires full blast hot air to mitigate, roasting the cabin occupants
• Wipers that don't clean well (even after replacement)
• Headlight buckets that collect snow, salt residue, and ice reducing light output
• Systems disabled and warning lights when front camera is obscured by snow/ice/salt residue

I drove my 200 series Land Cruiser today instead, and it doesn't suffer from any of these problems, and as a bonus it has heated seats, steering wheel, and wipers. I find it to be a much better car for these conditions.

I have had Landcruisers for 25 years and think that they are (were?) fantastic. We can't get proper ones in the UK anymore unfortunately which is why I switched a couple of years ago to the Grenadier. Used LC's in Murmansk & Archangelsk in winter frequently over the years and they are difficult to better in arctic conditions both for driving ability and passenger comfort. .

I do however quite like the headlight buckets as they protect the headlights quite well from being bashed. A colleague has just had to replace an offside front headlight unit on a two year old LR Discovery and the cost for one headlight was over GBP4K (about $5.5KUS) - I know that it is an integrated indicator, rain sensing everything else but it did make me look at the Grenadier headlight and I took pleasure in its protected location. I know that doesn't help if the bucket fills with snow.

 

[Krabby]

I have had Landcruisers for 25 years and think that they are (were?) fantastic. We can't get proper ones in the UK anymore unfortunately which is why I switched a couple of years ago to the Grenadier.

I stumbled across THESE GUYS. Not sure what their deal is but seem legit.

 

[CRH]

I stumbled across THESE GUYS. Not sure what their deal is but seem legit.

There is a place around Holmes Chapel, Cheshire, that does them too.

 

[MileHigh]

There’s also the issue with the side windows, getting difficult to see through because of ice and road grind buildup.

It’s hard to believe they did very much cold weather test driving and didn’t realize that there would be issues. The vehicle really needs a true cold weather package with headlight and windshield wiper heating and some kind of side flow management.

 

[Jeremy996]

I stumbled across THESE GUYS. Not sure what their deal is but seem legit.

It is a legit business, but they are not nice to deal with, the vehicles are unsupported officially in the UK and they make even old Defenders look luxury.

 

[Bayford]

I stumbled across THESE GUYS. Not sure what their deal is but seem legit.

Thank You Krabby,

As a creature of habit I would now be loath to trade the Grenadier in for a replacement LC.

I did look at those guys - I like what they are selling but I am not overly keen on "grey imports" - having had a grey import previously it's always a pain when something goes wrong - the parts never quite match the UK spec and you can spend months waiting for something as mundane as a correct sized fan belt or fuel filter. On top of that you get zero support from the manufacturer as they seem to resent the fact that you have circumvented their systems - at least that was my experience with Mitsubishi - Toyota might be different.

 

[AFdude412]

I'm expecting a lot of hate and flames, but I want to share that I'm parking my Grenadier until we're through the worst of the winter weather.

The Ineos is sure footed and reliable, but in the deep cold and wintery weather, it has several annoyances that I'm not enjoying:

• Lackluster spray volume and variable jet shape spray of the windshield washer jets
• Windshield icing that requires full blast hot air to mitigate, roasting the cabin occupants
• Wipers that don't clean well (even after replacement)
• Headlight buckets that collect snow, salt residue, and ice reducing light output
• Systems disabled and warning lights when front camera is obscured by snow/ice/salt residue

I drove my 200 series Land Cruiser today instead, and it doesn't suffer from any of these problems, and as a bonus it has heated seats, steering wheel, and wipers. I find it to be a much better car for these conditions.

At least you have the best of both worlds!