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Letter to Lynne Calder

I just got off the phone with Lynn again. I am really impressed with how seriously they are taking things.

The good news is the manual is imminent.

One or two caveats. The manual will essentially be a login to the IA system that the dealerships technicians use, which sounds great. However they have some concerns about uptake, see below. They don't want to simply open source the thing as that could lead to copyright issues and also mean lots of knock off cheap parts appearing which could damage the brand. (My words not hers)

Firstly, transferring the data from the existing program to a PDF format is way more complicated than you might think and therefore time consuming. Lynn really wants this to happen now, so web based it will be.

Secondly if every Grenadier owner wants the manual immediately it could present a few issues, the first of which is each user will need to have their own login, (you will need to provide your email and VIN number) automating this process will require a load of coding at the back end which is more time and cost, and she wants this done ASAP. So user logins will be created manually at IA, this will be a time consuming process, Lynn’s concern is that if all 20,000 owners sign up at once there will be long delays which takes us back to square one. We have been waiting long enough. I suggested to Lynn that if they charged a small fee for this then only those seriously intending to use the manual would actually sign up, she was keen for it to be free however as that was more in the spirit of the original promise. I can’t argue with that.
She asked me to ask you to only sign up for the manual if you actually want /need / intend to use it. If we all stampede for it at the same time it will be like a run on the bank- no one will get anything. If demand is measured those who need it could be browsing the manual in a couple of weeks time.

They also have concerns about adding thousands of users to their existing system, can the system cope with the extra traffic? They are looking at this right now and will hopefully be ready to roll this out in the next couple of weeks. She kindly offered to let me try it out next week, so hopefully I’ll get a login and be able to have a play around with it. I’ll report back to both you guys and to IA on its usability from a home users point of view.

Thirdly
The intention is that for existing owners the manual will be free, but IA have not ruled out charging new buyers a subscription fee. They may end up developing an App at some point but again they don't want to add any more delays to a long delayed project. They are still working on this so don't hold me to that….

Next topic is the code reader. Following my conversation with Lynn a couple of weeks ago her team have reached out to AUTEL and discussions are taking place. Nothing has been agreed as yet but it is her intention to roll out something as soon as possible. It may not be AUTEL who they end up partnering up with, I hope it is as thats the one I have! She doesn’t know as yet how long it would take AUTEL to roll out an update but they are having further meetings in the next couple of weeks. What needs to happen is IA supply AUTEL with data and Autel write the code and then roll it out.. I have no idea how long that will take but she is committed to getting this done.

And finally we talked about parts availability. They are building a more robust system and encouraging dealers to stock more parts. Being a new vehicle they were unsure what demand would be like and now that it has been around for a while they are getting a better idea. They are also giving their regional centres more autonomy and that will also improve delivery. She was keen to point out that it costs them way more if they have to express freight individual parts around the world; it’s in their interest to hold parts at regional centres and dealerships. This is what they are doing.

I’m pretty pleased with the response, this only confirms my belief that they are taking the issues we raised seriously and are acting fast. Its what we wanted to hear.
 
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I just got off the phone with Lynn again. I am really impressed with how seriously they are taking things.

The good news is the manual is imminent.

One or two caveats. The manual will essentially be a login to the IA system that the dealerships technicians use, which sounds great. However they have some concerns about uptake, see below. They don't want to simply open source the thing as that could lead to copyright issues and also mean lots of knock off cheap parts appearing which could damage the brand. (My words not hers)

Firstly, transferring the data from the existing program to a PDF format is way more complicated than you might think and therefore time consuming. Lynn really wants this to happen now, so web based it will be.

Secondly if every Grenadier owner wants the manual immediately it could present a few issues, the first of which is each user will need to have their own login, (you will need to provide your email and VIN number) automating this process will require a load of coding at the back end which is more time and cost, and she wants this done ASAP. So user logins will be created manually at IA, this will be a time consuming process, Lynn’s concern is that if all 20,000 owners sign up at once there will be long delays which takes us back to square one. We have been waiting long enough. I suggested to Lynn that if they charged a small fee for this then only those seriously intending to use the manual would actually sign up, she was keen for it to be free however as that was more in the spirit of the original promise. I can’t argue with that.
She asked me to ask you to only sign up for the manual if you actually want /need / intend to use it. If we all stampede for it at the same time it will be like a run on the bank- no one will get anything. If demand is measured those who need it could be browsing the manual in a couple of weeks time.

They also have concerns about adding thousands of users to their existing system, can the system cope with the extra traffic? They are looking at this right now and will hopefully be ready to roll this out in the next couple of weeks. She kindly offered to let me try it out next week, so hopefully I’ll get a login and be able to have a play around with it. I’ll report back to both you guys and to IA on its usability from a home users point of view.

Thirdly
The intention is that for existing owners the manual will be free, but IA have not ruled out charging new buyers a subscription fee. They may end up developing an App at some point but again they don't want to add any more delays to a long delayed project. They are still working on this so don't hold me to that….

Next topic is the code reader. Following my conversation with Lynn a couple of weeks ago her team have reached out to AUTEL and discussions are taking place. Nothing has been agreed as yet but it is her intention to roll out something as soon as possible. It may not be AUTEL who they end up partnering up with, I hope it is as thats the one I have! She doesn’t know as yet how long it would take AUTEL to roll out an update as yet but they are having further meetings in the next couple of weeks. What needs to happen is IA supply AUTEL with data and Autel write the code and then roll it out.. I have no idea how long that will take but she is committed to getting this done.

And finally we talked about parts availability. They are building a more robust system and encouraging dealers to stock more parts. Being a new vehicle they were unsure what demand would be like and now that it has been around for a while they are getting a better idea. They are also giving their regional centres more autonomy and that will also improve delivery. She was keen to point out that it costs them way more if they have to express freight individual parts around the world; it’s in their interest to hold parts at regional centres and dealerships. This is what they are doing.

I’m pretty pleased with the response, this only confirms my belief that they are taking the issues we raised seriously and are acting fast. Its what we wanted to hear.
well done Tom D.
 
Wow this is amazing-

In for the manual for sure

Hope the coding will include:
Engine service reset
Allowing of moving TPMS around the vehicle for rotation, or easy clone for second set of rims and tires.
Good diagnostic response for CEL and Rest of CEL

Thank you for helping the community by keeping in contact and holding Lynn to her word!
 
This is great news and refreshing to see positive action is being taken on these issues especially through the CEO which is so rare these days with companies. I assume IA will send out some additional information or let owners know how to apply for access to the online manual officially? Likewise for the Autel scanners assuming an agreement is reached and their software has been updated to communicate with the Grenadier? If Autel pulls through on this will any Autel scanner work or will it be limited to specific models of their scanners? More to come on all of this I’m sure.
 
Can’t answer the AUTEL question. But I assume it would work on most of their devices.

Re the manual. As soon as it’s tested and working I think it’s all go. Whether they will email all owners or just stick a link on the IA website I don’t know. Probably the latter if the don’t want to be inundated.
 
She called our bluff and followed through (at least on the call) - how you like them apples? I seriously doubt many of us ACTUALLY want the manual - maybe it’s more than I think. I don’t. I would like it if my mechanic could get access, so that’s more about how to achieve a more open service network. I can’t recall if this was addressed in the initial letter - the windscreen. A lot of us are speculating that temperature fluctuation on defrost might be a cause for cracking - would be curious to know if their R&D/QA team is exploring that theory or if they think it’s BS.
 
For the average owner who is not mechanically inclined and relies on a dealer or independent repair shop for all repairs access to the manual probably won’t be meaningful. That said, coming from the LR world where the ability to fix and repair older vehicles long since out of warranty having access to reliable technical information is extremely helpful.

For the Grenadier having access to any manual digital or otherwise with wiring diagrams, assembly/disassembly instructions, torque values, exploded diagrams, part listings, testing procedures, specifications, etc… builds confidence for a time when the warranty is expired. It also makes it much easier for doing basic maintenance such as fluid changes, brakes, suspension, wheel bearings, etc… on your own, assuming parts are available of course, and your plan is to hold on to the vehicle long term beyond warranty.

Frankly, I’ll take whatever IA can give us as having a much deeper or fundamental understanding of the vehicle only works toward my benefit. By all means, use dealers when needed for specific warranty work, recalls, etc… but in addition to that, I want to be able to do as much preventative maintenance or small repairs on my own reducing down time or inconvenience of going to a dealer.

With regard to software that’s a whole other bear trap of sorts but if Autel or other companies can at least gain access and allow code reading, system resetting and some basic diagnostics I’ll take that as well. Overall, this is a positive development now let’s see how things are followed through on.
 
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