How to view the Grenadier in todays market?

[C-Mack]

Interesting video from “The Drive” on YouTube:

View: https://youtu.be/WlTm4tN5N1o?si=LssEnUlntD8RYPHr

 

[rob88]

Thanks for sharing that video.

 

[Jeremy996]

That was a breath of fresh air - although I feel slightly targeted, Grenadier and a Miata NB, (together with a Morgan 4/4 and the wife's Fiat 500C).

 

[[ Adam ]]

Interesting video from “The Drive” on YouTube:

View: https://youtu.be/WlTm4tN5N1o?si=LssEnUlntD8RYPHr

I enjoyed this video and agree with his hypothesis - the Grenadier is designed to do what it does well, and that may not be "everything".

 

[cyson]

I like how this review brings up some of the design aspects, which tends to be missing in other mainstream reviews. More press material could have delivered this message without focusing on standard metrics that Car and Driver and Motor Trend tend to focus on...

 

[Tenac]

If they wanted to keep things simple they could have simply not put in a maintenance alert or reminder into the software and just kept it in the manual...... hmmm hmmm???

 

[cyson]

If they wanted to keep things simple they could have simply not put in a maintenance alert or reminder into the software and just kept it in the manual...... hmmm hmmm???

Definitely a lot of things they could have gone even more simple with. I get the sense that working within the EU safety rules made it really tough on so many levels. My biggest gripe still is ADAS, which seems like was a EU requirement for new vehicles...

Just the way it is, with the amount of electronic nannies from either a 4th or 5th Gen 4Runner would have been good for me. With that being said, it's much simpler than many other European vehicles on sale today.

 

[Tenac]

Definitely a lot of things they could have gone even more simple with. I get the sense that working within the EU safety rules made it really tough on so many levels. My biggest gripe still is ADAS, which seems like was a EU requirement for new vehicles...

Just the way it is, with the amount of electronic nannies from either a 4th or 5th Gen 4Runner would have been good for me. With that being said, it's much simpler than many other European vehicles on sale today.

You bring up some good thinking points here. We say "simple" but is it really or what is really simple??? I have an old beater 87 square body requires nothing but fluid changes too me = simple. lol How ever the 2023 GTS we have is full of technology requires nothing but fluid changes and simple reset the count downs to me this = simple (this 1 year older than the Grenny). Now the Grenny claims simplicity amongst the challenges of regulations equals fair. But is the loudest most sensitive thing I have ever owned. Requires more trips to the dealer in one year of ownership than any other vehicles I have or can remember having.... this does not equal simple too me. Nannies or not they don't work or work with repeatability very well. I'm not even talking hardware just the software here. Knowing the controller they are using to run the interface they are extremely limited on memory and really processing power. If they would have put a damn fire tablet there it would have been significantly better. Maybe they went too far without fully understanding their user stories. lol I'm a keeper really do enjoy it and hoping my dealer starts offering the pick up for service like the BMW dealer nextdoor does... lol

 

[Tazzieman]

There's no going back to the good ol'days!
(Just an excuse to pop a couple of spottos from today's venture on the Isle of Skye)

 

[Bobcat Sig]

I enjoyed this video and agree with his hypothesis - the Grenadier is designed to do what it does well, and that may not be "everything".

This is key with the Grenadier. As we've seen here with several posters posting very public and impassioned meltdowns and rants, many buyers and prospective buyers conflate luxury features and driving experience with the price of the vehicle. While I understand how one can get there, it was never the point of the Grenadier. And that's missed by many, unfortunately.

Though one could argue that the simplicity of our vehicles should be a part of all aspects of the vehicle (I'm looking at you, HVAC system), INEOS and Magna Stayr have done an admirable job.

 

[Krabby]

Though one could argue that the simplicity of our vehicles should be a part of all aspects of the vehicle (I'm looking at you, HVAC system),

Winner, winner, chicken dinner! The hill I'll die on is give me red to blue knob/slider and all would be well.

 

[Bobcat Sig]

Winner, winner, chicken dinner! The hill I'll die on is give me red to blue knob/slider and all would be well.

I know I'm belaboring the point in what seems to be evergreen content with the HVAC, it only needs to be responsive and accurate as part of its simplicity, be it knobs or a dial on a circuit board. A most basic, sub-compact car available in North America, Europe, or Australia will have such an HVAC system. While mine functions well enough, there's room for improvement without making it a luxury system.

And at the risk of getting wildly off-topic, the Quatermaster is in desperate need of more drain holes in the bed/tray. That seems to be a big oversight.

 

[HereinDaRockies]

Bunch of new grenadier reviews on YT over the past week.. new marketing strategy for IA?

 

[cyson]

You bring up some good thinking points here. We say "simple" but is it really or what is really simple??? I have an old beater 87 square body requires nothing but fluid changes too me = simple. lol How ever the 2023 GTS we have is full of technology requires nothing but fluid changes and simple reset the count downs to me this = simple (this 1 year older than the Grenny). Now the Grenny claims simplicity amongst the challenges of regulations equals fair. But is the loudest most sensitive thing I have ever owned. Requires more trips to the dealer in one year of ownership than any other vehicles I have or can remember having.... this does not equal simple too me. Nannies or not they don't work or work with repeatability very well. I'm not even talking hardware just the software here. Knowing the controller they are using to run the interface they are extremely limited on memory and really processing power. If they would have put a damn fire tablet there it would have been significantly better. Maybe they went too far without fully understanding their user stories. lol I'm a keeper really do enjoy it and hoping my dealer starts offering the pick up for service like the BMW dealer nextdoor does... lol

I'm guessing there was quite a bit of feature creep during their product planning and development. I'm not sure what your comfort level of complexity is, but I've been in a some relatively recent vehicles and I like can tolerate the amount of nannies in 4runners of 4th and 5th gen. The new one is a bit much.

I currently have a Lexus GX 460 as well and even that to me is simple enough. The Grenadier has gone a bit too far for my taste, but again, that's probably a personal preference. Compared to most 4x4 out there, I do feel the Grenadier is pretty close to the balance I want. If we went much simpler, like a 1993 Defender 110, then I feel like it's a bit too unrefined for cross country travel. Too loud, too bumpy, too slow, too tippy, etc.

What would you use as an example of a vehicle that is the right amount of electronic complexity?