Fusilier On Hold???

[Zimm]

I hope they do a redesign so the Fus doesnt look like it was penned as the next Stelantis econojeep compass.

 

[AngusMacG]

Thomas Friedman was warning the US about Chinas dedication and eventual dominance in electric vehicles a decade ago. Our response was to elect a real estate grifter that would sell the Whitehouse to Oil.

China has already won the game. It's been called. Americans are just to worried about who is pissing in what toilet to know it.

As opposed to the community activist we had for 8 years and his career politician VP, whose only skills are lying and falling going up stairs, that sold us out to China that continued the last 4 years…

 

[Shopkeep]

Thomas Friedman was warning the US about Chinas dedication and eventual dominance in electric vehicles a decade ago. Our response was to elect a real estate grifter that would sell the Whitehouse to Oil.

China has already won the game. It's been called. Americans are just to worried about who is pissing in what toilet to know it.

Without a massive and sustained whole of government approach to support the EV industry in the USA the game is well and truly over. Masters of I.C.E. you will be (I mean internal combustion engine, not that other one).

 

[LabRat]

Given the threads on extended fuel tanks, gerry can carriers and the likes to extend our range, how exactly do the folks here think EVs would be a viable solution?

 

[LabRat]

As opposed to the community activist we had for 8 years and his career politician VP, whose only skills are lying and falling going up stairs, that sold us out to China that continued the last 4 years…

And since Friedman warned us "a decade ago", that was before the real estate mogul switched political parties, but hey, it sounded good.

 

[landmannnn]

Given the threads on extended fuel tanks, gerry can carriers and the likes to extend our range, how exactly do the folks here think EVs would be a viable solution?

Personally not a chance.

Interestingly, one of my neighbours has a new Defender. If the family go on long trips he takes his wife's EV as it is much cheaper. Seems almost counter intuitive.

 

[Tom109]

Given the threads on extended fuel tanks, gerry can carriers and the likes to extend our range, how exactly do the folks here think EVs would be a viable solution?

For general and day-to-day use, OK. But for planned and unplanned extended travel, NFW.

 

[LabRat]

Personally not a chance.

Interestingly, one of my neighbours has a new Defender. If the family go on long trips he takes his wife's EV as it is much cheaper. Seems almost counter intuitive.

My brother is on the EV kick (works for an auto manufacturer and drank the koolaid). When they can get to the point that a full recharge can be done in the time it takes to fill a tank, then maybe I'd consider it. The only time is about the journey and not the destination is when I'm on my motorcycle or overlanding. I don't want to have to plan my routes around charging stations.

 

[255/85]

I hope they do a redesign so the Fus doesnt look like it was penned as the next Stelantis econojeep compass.

Unfortunately the Mrs. thinks it's cute. But then she does still love her 25 year old TJ so ...

Its been suggested before but if Ineos built a rugged little electric Jimny/Wrangler/OD90 equivalent I would be tempted. Maybe offer two different battery packages like a short range with a higher payload for farm use and a bigger battery travel version with all the amenities.

 

[LC0013]

Thomas Friedman was warning the US about Chinas dedication and eventual dominance in electric vehicles a decade ago. Our response was to elect a real estate grifter that would sell the Whitehouse to Oil.

China has already won the game. It's been called. Americans are just to worried about who is pissing in what toilet to know it.

As great as a grifter he is he is even better at getting free rent in the head of you dolts.

 

[AWo]

The German car magazin "Automobil Woche" reports:

The chinese BAW BJ212 was now shown on IAA Munich (International Automobil Fair). It will enter the German Market simply as BAW 212. It was mentioned that its cost in China is below 20.000 Euro. It is describes a really capable 4x4.

It was also mentioned that it will be interesting if it will find a market with a note that the grenadier found 396 buyers and the G Wagon 3939 (despite its much higher price compared to the Grenadier) in the first seven month of 2025.

AWo

 

[CrazyOldMan]

The German car magazin "Automobil Woche" reports:

The chinese BAW BJ212 was now shown on IAA Munich (International Automobil Fair). It will enter the German Market simply as BAW 212. It was mentioned that its cost in China is below 20.000 Euro. It is describes a really capable 4x4.

It was also mentioned that it will be interesting if it will find a market with a note that the grenadier found 396 buyers and the G Wagon 3939 (despite its much high price compared to the Grenadier) in the first seven month of 2025.

AWo

Those sales #’s are for Germany only?

 

[AWo]

Yes.

BTW, the price for the BAW is still unknown, as well as the launch date.

AWo

 

[LeeroyJ]

My brother is on the EV kick (works for an auto manufacturer and drank the koolaid). When they can get to the point that a full recharge can be done in the time it takes to fill a tank, then maybe I'd consider it. The only time is about the journey and not the destination is when I'm on my motorcycle or overlanding. I don't want to have to plan my routes around charging stations.

The koolaid is worth drinking.

The average American drives less than 40 miles per day. If you can charge at home (i.e. don't live in an apartment or in the city where you don't have a garage) then that average person will rarely need to use a charger outside the home.

My wife has an EV and I don't remember the exact maximum range it gets but it's over 400 miles, which is a lot more than my Grenadier gets (before I added the extended tank). We don't normally take the EV on road trips, because when we are driving long distance it's typically to do fun things with the Grenadier. But when we do, we have more than enough range to drive for three hours at which point we are bladder limited and need to stop anyway. Assuming we stop at a location with a fast charger, in the amount of time it takes us to use the restroom and get a coffee (15-20min) the EV will have charged more than enough to drive another three hours. That charging is significantly less expensive than the equivalent premium fuel for the Grenadier.

Add to that when we charge the EV at home, it's usually during the day where our solar panels are covering the charge.

As for fast charging not being readily available, it's a chicken-and-the-egg problem, but it is improving and on major interstates there are very few stretches left where fast charging is not easily available.

Don't get me wrong, taking an electric SUV on a week-long overlanding trip in the boonies would be impractical at this point. But, the day is coming. The new Scout is offering a "range extender" option (basically an onboard generator that can charge the battery even while driving). With that you could take jerry cans and get serious range. Mechanical problems overlanding in an electric EV would likely be a lot less.

The fact that in the US we've turned electric cars into a political issue is absurd. All we are doing is allowing the Chinese to steal market-share while their electric car industry is being heavily subsidized by their government. In thirty years, when 99% of vehicles on the road are Chinese electric cars, we will look back and shake our heads at how politicization of electric vehicles allowed the Chinese to run-away with MarketShare uncontested. Anti-EV sentiment in the US is like the horse and buggy owners shaking their fists at the Ford Model T.

 

[Dokatd]

The koolaid is worth drinking.

The average American drives less than 40 miles per day. If you can charge at home (i.e. don't live in an apartment or in the city where you don't have a garage) then that average person will rarely need to use a charger outside the home.

My wife has an EV and I don't remember the exact maximum range it gets but it's over 400 miles, which is a lot more than my Grenadier gets (before I added the extended tank). We don't normally take the EV on road trips, because when we are driving long distance it's typically to do fun things with the Grenadier. But when we do, we have more than enough range to drive for three hours at which point we are bladder limited and need to stop anyway. Assuming we stop at a location with a fast charger, in the amount of time it takes us to use the restroom and get a coffee (15-20min) the EV will have charged more than enough to drive another three hours. That charging is significantly less expensive than the equivalent premium fuel for the Grenadier.

Add to that when we charge the EV at home, it's usually during the day where our solar panels are covering the charge.

As for fast charging not being readily available, it's a chicken-and-the-egg problem, but it is improving and on major interstates there are very few stretches left where fast charging is not easily available.

Don't get me wrong, taking an electric SUV on a week-long overlanding trip in the boonies would be impractical at this point. But, the day is coming. The new Scout is offering a "range extender" option (basically an onboard generator that can charge the battery even while driving). With that you could take jerry cans and get serious range. Mechanical problems overlanding in an electric EV would likely be a lot less.

The fact that in the US we've turned electric cars into a political issue is absurd. All we are doing is allowing the Chinese to steal market-share while their electric car industry is being heavily subsidized by their government. In thirty years, when 99% of vehicles on the road are Chinese electric cars, we will look back and shake our heads at how politicization of electric vehicles allowed the Chinese to run-away with MarketShare uncontested. Anti-EV sentiment in the US is like the horse and buggy owners shaking their fists at the Ford Model T.

I have the same experience and opinion on EV's. My wife is on her second Rivian. I'm tempted daily since I have plenty of other off-road vehicles. She gets over 400mi per charge and she hasn't stepped foot at a gas station or oil change station since 2022

 

[Zimm]

The koolaid is worth drinking.


The fact that in the US we've turned electric cars into a political issue is absurd. All we are doing is allowing the Chinese to steal market-share while their electric car industry is being heavily subsidized by their government. In thirty years, when 99% of vehicles on the road are Chinese electric cars, we will look back and shake our heads at how politicization of electric vehicles allowed the Chinese to run-away with MarketShare uncontested. Anti-EV sentiment in the US is like the horse and buggy owners shaking their fists at the Ford Model T.

There's no we. It's power hungry grifters dangling shiny objects of self affirmation in front of the gullible for votes. Their lives in compounds, will be just fine, with foreign made modern electric cars. The irony of koolaid, is grifters locate marks to feed it to, by their use of the euphemism. It's kinda like when charities and organizations with pay memberships, look for walk in businesses to hit up that have stickers in the corner of window advertising what charities and organizations they support. Its the mark of the willing fool.

 

[landmannnn]

There's quite a lot of factors in play. If I were still driving 25k miles per year I would probably go electric.

A friend of mine who doesn't do many miles who bought an electric car (something from Stellantis) saves £1k per year vs her last petrol car. Since her EV was £10k more expensive than the equivalent petrol model, she would have to keep the car 10 years to see a financial saving.

 

[Zimm]

There's quite a lot of factors in play. If I were still driving 25k miles per year I would probably go electric.

A friend of mine who doesn't do many miles who bought an electric car (something from Stellantis) saves £1k per year vs her last petrol car. Since her EV was £10k more expensive than the equivalent petrol model, she would have to keep the car 10 years to see a financial saving.

that's the same a buying diesel over here. on the other hand, the electrics are getting pounded on resale, and a used electric as a dd will save some cash.

 

[LeeroyJ]

There's quite a lot of factors in play. If I were still driving 25k miles per year I would probably go electric.

A friend of mine who doesn't do many miles who bought an electric car (something from Stellantis) saves £1k per year vs her last petrol car. Since her EV was £10k more expensive than the equivalent petrol model, she would have to keep the car 10 years to see a financial saving.

Probably less than 10 years when you factor service costs. No transmission or engine related service costs in an EV. Brake service is much less for most EV's too. Tires may wear out slightly faster for EV's due to the comparatively higher weight. There may be other savings too that are hard to quantify (i.e. in many European cities there is no need to purchase the city permit to drive down-town with an EV, and there may be reduced parking costs and toll road costs).

 

[landmannnn]

Probably less than 10 years when you factor service costs. No transmission or engine related service costs in an EV. Brake service is much less for most EV's too. Tires may wear out slightly faster for EV's due to the comparatively higher weight. There may be other savings too that are hard to quantify (i.e. in many European cities there is no need to purchase the city permit to drive down-town with an EV, and there may be reduced parking costs and toll road costs).

In some cases probably yes. In this case a main dealer service is £10 cheaper for that EV and there are no tolls/parking/city charges cheaper for EVs within 100 miles.