Emergency Brake Yes/No

[HereinDaRockies]

For anyone not looking to own the vehicle for long term.. forget about it.. why maintain the vehicle for the next owner. Do what’s easiest

 

[KristinaM]

I have a bit more confidence ( probably misplaced ) in the e-brake after switching to a hydraulically actuated variant.

 

[Dokatd]

I have a bit more confidence ( probably misplaced ) in the e-brake after switching to a hydraulically actuated variant.

You have a hydraulic E brake on your Grenadier? Or are you talking about another vehicle you own.

 

[Tazzieman]

Is the handbrake on the IG on the rear brakes or drive shaft? On Series LRs it was on the driveshaft.

And a good chance of some transmission damage if you apply it whilst moving!
The rear parking brake shoes are usually pretty wimpy but up to the task they are assigned, which is parking.
Not emergencies, or fully guaranteed J turns

 

[KristinaM]

You have a hydraulic E brake on your Grenadier? Or are you talking about another vehicle you own.

Correct. Buzz Overland’s Big Brake Kit has integrated hydraulic handbrake actuators on the L and R rear calipers.

 

[KristinaM]

And a good chance of some transmission damage if you apply it whilst moving!
The rear parking brake shoes are usually pretty wimpy but up to the task they are assigned, which is parking.
Not emergencies, or fully guaranteed J turns

Come on you know you want to drift the Grenadier…

 

[Dokatd]

Correct. Buzz Overland’s Big Brake Kit has integrated hydraulic handbrake actuators on the L and R rear calipers.

Well, those might have a fair bit more holding power than the stock cable setup.

I was honestly expecting more of a fight from the stock hand brake vs parking pawl. Genuinely didn't expect the hand brake to be that bad. And thought I would have more trouble getting the pawl to disengage

 

[Tazzieman]

Come on you know you want to drift the Grenadier…

Got other cars that are better. A '64 Fiat, no ABS, ESC, no crumple zone, rear wheel drive and leaf spring rear.
And if want to do a double or quad J turn without using the handbrake at all, I have an old 911

 

[Happyoldgit]

Is the handbrake on the IG on the rear brakes or drive shaft? On Series LRs it was on the driveshaft.

Yes, drum on the rear output of the transfer box which carried through right to they ceased production of the Puma Defender. Same with Classic RR & Disco's.

 

[Dokatd]

Yes, drum on the rear output of the transfer box which carried through right to they ceased production of the Puma Defender. Same with Classic RR & Disco's.

Yep, and much more beneficial when off-roading.

 

[Happyoldgit]

Yep, and much more beneficial when off-roading.

Certainly better in most cases except maybe hauling it on when still moving.

I have to say that I found the IG handbrake a bit lacking in bite.

 

[Tazzieman]

I have to say that I found the IG handbrake a bit lacking in bite.

Mine needed retensioning at the first service 6000km.

 

[Dokatd]

Certainly better in most cases except maybe hauling it on when still moving.

I have to say that I found the IG handbrake a bit lacking in bite.

I can hear and feel the back and forth chatter of the rover drive train as we speak!

I remember back 20yrs ago in Las Cruces we had to move someone's D90 across town for some reason. Whoever it was that we elected to drive it left the parking brake on the whole drive. Probably about 5-10miles with speeds up to about 50mph. It stunk so bad . The rover drum, if not properly adjusted, was pretty ineffectual.

 

[Tazzieman]

. The rover drum, if not properly adjusted, was pretty ineffectual.

Not to mention, soaked in oil...

 

[Pete Brown]

On a level place, like my yard in Finland, I use only Park. Handbrake + Park always if there is any inclination. With manual gearbox I prefer leaving the car in gear, especially during winter to avoid freezing problems on cable or brake shoes.

And concerning wear it is better to use the handbrake regularly because that prevents jamming of the moving parts. It will be anyhow tested in MOT and if unused it may stuck. And the cable doesn't stretch any measurable amount despite daily use. I think I still have the original handbrake cable in my -93 Discovery with 600000 km in odometer.

Absolutely…

In winter where the car will be driven through snow or slushy puddles in freezing temperatures, setting the hand brake runs the risk of having ice freeze the brake cable mechanism in the locked position. Then you have a problem.

 

[skinny_tom]

What it proves is that park is a positive condition regardless of who engages it and parking brakes are not. There are more variables to hand brakes than the park position on your transmission.

If you were to use one or the other you should default to park. But that's moot with the IG as it automatically goes to park when you shut down.

Hand brakes are legally required in the USA to be installed but not used. Some states may differ though.

Ultimately the point is use what you like, but the park position is more positive than the hand brake period. It's also more reliable. Telling someone they are categorically wrong for using just the transmission parking brake is ignorant at best.

Are we not allowed to prove our point on this forum? Why is it bad for me to express my opinion and back it up with some simple real world data. Just because 10 people dog pile me doesn't make those 10 people right, nor does my victim hood make me right or wrong.

Perhaps I was overly picky with my comments... my point is that they (infrequently) do fail and one data point does not prove the opposite. I've also never tested the ability of my Gren's parking brake to independently hold the vehicle on a steep hill. Thanks for the reminder that I should probably do that. I'm clearly a belt and suspenders guy.

 

[Tinerfeño]

I've also never tested the ability of my Gren's parking brake to independently hold the vehicle on a steep hill.

I have: Will hold. It's very effective.

 

[landmannnn]

Not to mention, soaked in oil...

Or full of mud. I upgraded to disc brake a few times.

 

[Happyoldgit]

Not to mention, soaked in oil...

Ah, the memories and a reminder that I need to replace the transfer box rear output seal in my 1943 Willys MB Jeep - again.

 

[Blackgray]

I also have the habit of using the handbrake every time I park. I've noticed that the hold isn't the greatest.