Drowning my Grenadier (a sorry, soggy saga)

[lightning]

lt would be a bargain for someone who could strip and rebuild the engine themselves.
The bottom end is probably okay. Or get an engine from a wreck.
Could you get the parts from a written off BMW ?

 

[landmannnn]

lt would be a bargain for someone who could strip and rebuild the engine themselves.
The bottom end is probably okay. Or get an engine from a wreck.
Could you get the parts from a written off BMW ?

You could even perhaps source a B57 engine to the 50d spec at around 400bhp.

 

[Eric]

You could even perhaps source a B57 engine to the 50d spec at around 400bhp.

But what about the gearbox then, would that take the increase torque, I accept the B57 gearbox is an upgrade on the B58, but not sure what it is rated at.

 

[CRH]

But what about the gearbox then, would that take the increase torque, I accept the B57 gearbox is an upgrade on the B58, but not sure what it is rated at.

Would be fun finding out

 

[landmannnn]

But what about the gearbox then, would that take the increase torque, I accept the B57 gearbox is an upgrade on the B58, but not sure what it is rated at.

I believe the diesel engine auto transmission is rated at 750Nm, the 750d engine is 760Nm according to a quick Google.

 

[lightning]

lt could be one to buy and store long term, until an engine came up.
Certainly if it is under £20,000 and apart from the engine otherwise okay.

"Honey, you need to get your hearing tested, said l wanted a Quartermaster, not a Watermaster"

 

[lightning]

So what did it sell for in the end, does anyone know?
All it says now is P.A.V £45,000

 

[MattA]

lt would be a bargain for someone who could strip and rebuild the engine themselves.
The bottom end is probably okay. Or get an engine from a wreck.
Could you get the parts from a written off BMW ?

You can’t be serious, the ongoing electrical problems caused by corrosion in all the plugs , components and computers would be an absolute nightmare
Flooded cars are a nightmare and written off fora reason
I wouldn’t touch it if someone gave it to me other than a few spare parts

 

[Cheshire cat]

You can’t be serious, the ongoing electrical problems caused by corrosion in all the plugs , components and computers would be an absolute nightmare
Flooded cars are a nightmare and written off fora reason
I wouldn’t touch it if someone gave it to me other than a few spare parts

Not sure if it was actually flooded to that extent. Was it not water entering the air intake, due to water flow on that side of the vehicle? I Don’t think the vehicle was ever actually submerged. Jeremy will correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[Jeremy996]

It did not flood past the bottom of the doors, the interior was dry before and after and the dash came back up with a charged battery connected. The engine sounds rough in the video the salvage company posted, so I'm grateful it is not my problem.

My guess is a rebuilt or 2nd hand engine will solve most of the issues, but water in the wires can become an issue later on. I can imagine that getting warranty service from Ineos Automotive might be a real problem.

 

[Eric]

It did not flood past the bottom of the doors, the interior was dry before and after and the dash came back up with a charged battery connected. The engine sounds rough in the video the salvage company posted, so I'm grateful it is not my problem.

My guess is a rebuilt or 2nd hand engine will solve most of the issues, but water in the wires can become an issue later on. I can imagine that getting warranty service from Ineos Automotive might be a real problem.

Interesting comment on warranty work. If it was only a Cat N write off then the DVLA aren't usually notified, so it would be down to an Ineos dealer, at a later date warranty request, picking up the rebuild situation.

 

[lightning]

The wiring connectors and other electrical parts will have been designed to cope with water immersion up to the maximum wading depth of the vehicle.
It wasn't taken over the wading limit, but it unfortunately ingested water into the engine air intake.
Anyone who can rebuild a BMW engine should be able to restore that Grenadier

Hopefully it will appear on here and we will find out. Although my guess is a car dealer will do it.

 

[lightning]

Anyone know how much it sold for?

 

[MattA]

I didn’t realise the interior had stayed totally dry, in theory it shouldn’t be to bad then assuming it stayed below the wading depth
I still wouldn’t want it though, to many unknowns and in Australia a touring 4wd must be as reliable as any given model can be

 

[NQ94]

If that engine was running even with a bad misfire and the vehicle was only fresh water flooded and had no interior water damage it would be a good buy at the right price even with no warranty. The engine is running so likely only a bent rod. Because there has been no interior water damage, this wouldn't be any different to multiple deep water crossings. I have seen more damage to wiring from regular beach driving then fresh water submersion. Over the years I have repaired a number of fresh water flood damaged trucks, buses and machinery and it is surprising how little damage is actually done. One of the biggest costs is when the interior is flooded, controllers,
ECUs and reprogramming are expensive and the accumulated cost can cost much more than mechanical repairs, especially on road vehicles as most ECMs are not water tight. Everything in the engine is covered in oil and it's surprising how little damage there can be internally if the damage is from low RPM hydrolocking. Even engines that get flood water in the sump while off can be in good condition as oil floats on water and separates.

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

Hmmm, what does P.A.V. £45,000 mean?

From context I guess approx value when repaired but PAV?

 

[NQ94]

Hmmm, what does P.A.V. £45,000 mean?

From context I guess approx value when repaired but PAV?

Not sure if it's the same in the UK but it's Plus Applicable Value or Plus Added Value. Auction fees and taxes. Not real good value if it sold for £45k plus auction fees of around 7-15% plus GST (VAT) on fees and GST on the bid price for what would be cosidered a repairable write off in Australia. It would be repaired and sold at a loss with its known insurance history. I don't know how well it would do as a parts car, the demand for second hand parts may be too low.

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

Wow, if so that means it sold for £45k?! Maybe £45k plus vat?

 

[lightning]

l doubt anyone would pay that, you can get an undamaged used one in the UK for that money.
lt was a 2023 with 30,000 miles.

 

[Jeremy996]

The one I bought to replace it was less than £45k. I'm still hoping the new owner contacts me as I have some bits they would find useful. It was at £17,600 the day before the auction closed. My guess would be low £20s