BMW Shifter

[stickshifter]

Actually it is a kangaroo skin hat View attachment 7792608

That's a nice hat!

 

[DCPU]

> Well the tech is out there...

Is it?

If I drive backwards over a pit, it doesn't help me to "look through the bonnet": I want to look through the back seat.

Or, to keep it simple, out of my open door ... ?

Yes, it must be impossible to imagine the cameras facing in the opposite direction...

 

[emax]

No it's not impossible.

But it is a nonsense to have a camera looking at the rear wheel of the drivers side. That's at least where I would look when I try to safely align my wheel sideways of a pit. And I doubt that a camera mounted so that it permanently looks like that or between the rear wheels would make any sense in 99% of the time.

 

[stickshifter]

For those of us who think the BMW gear shifter seems a bit out of place next to a manual lever for the transfer case, and a manual hand brake, we are not alone

"The weirdest thing inside the Grenadier is the conventional BMW gear selector next to an old fashion transfer box leaver. That’s a combination you don’t see often."

Source: https://www.topspeed.com/cars/featu...4x4-the-world-desperately-needs-ar197600.html

 

[emax]

To compensate, the next one is then carved from mammoth bone.

 

[DCPU]

Started to. Read the article but it seems quite badly flawed. Mention of the ASPW scenerio and claiming new Defender is impossible to lift to start with.

 

[in-e-os]

My wife has an X5 and I’m not totally hip on the shifter that looks like the Same one as in the IG. I was surprised, given the rigged 4x4 application, that they didn’t get something more purpose driven? Also, it totally looks out of place next to the center diff control… I know I’ll get used to it, but I find it rather non-intuitive….

Whenever I drive her car, I’m never quite sure that I actually have it in park..

Agree. I don’t love the two shifters next to each other. I wish they were both one style. Modern or rugged.

 

[DaveB]

Agree. I don’t love the two shifters next to each other. I wish they were both one style. Modern or rugged.

Could have been a column shift as in modern Mercedes. Or flappy paddles as in most cars and rarely used. Or a good old Jag "J" Gate. Worse the transfer case could have been a push button or twist dial type. Or selected via the touch screen. So decide if the glass is half full or half empty

 

[MileHigh]

The B58 could come in a manual tranny....

 

[Stu_Barnes]

Could have been a column shift as in modern Mercedes. Or flappy paddles as in most cars and rarely used. Or a good old Jag "J" Gate. Worse the transfer case could have been a push button or twist dial type. Or selected via the touch screen. So decide if the glass is half full or half empty

The “flappy paddles” as Mr Clarkson and most of the world called them or “command shift” as JLR call them are actually pretty handy when off-road in the LR/Discovery 4. As in you don’t need to take your hands off the steering wheel to change up or down. The other handy thing is the transmission holds the current gear until almost red line before forcing a shift so the control you have on the car is pretty good without unexpected gear changes when you’re in the rough stuff.

At least I’ve found this to be the case. On road I never use them at all and just keep the transmission in auto.

All a moot point really with the Grenadier.

 

[ECrider]

I agree with that Stu. I'd rather have paddles than not. I use them a lot off road in the D4 and a little on road. Annoying thing is D4 doesnt advise what hear you are in until you operate one of the paddles, with 8 gears it would be handy.

Consequently in my Audi I use the paddles constantly on road and because only 6 gears it feels more responsive/intuitive. Plus it tells you what gear you are in all the time which can be handy though most through feel.

 

[DaveB]

I occasionally use my paddles when on a good windy road but not very often.
I have a 7 speed box that I always put into sport mode which works pretty good for most driving.
I found once that I had gone into manual mode by accident so I can only assume I had accidently pulled one of the paddles

 

[Christian]

Of course, I also drive in flat terrain mainly in automatic mode.
But the shift paddles on the steering wheel are one of the few things I will really miss.
I am very often on the road with trailers in mountainous terrain and plan to travel the world with an off-road caravan. In trailer operation, I actively use the shift paddle to downshift for the engine brake downhill, in front of traffic lights, speedbumper or roundabouts. This protects the brakes and saves fuel. Also, the automatic with trailer does not always use the correct gear.

I find it very pleasant and useful to keep my hands on the steering wheel.

Now I'm not so hardcore off-road experienced, but I can imagine that it's not funny when the steering wheel pulls you through a stone on one hand while you have the other on the gear lever. Especially on unpaved roads next to steep slopes, I would like to have both hands on the steering wheel

Yes I would order shift paddles if it would be possible

 

[DCPU]

Are people differentiating between paddles located on the steering column vs those on the wheel itself (if indeed any do)?

I've always found paddles on a steering column difficult if not impossible to use whilst you have anything from a medium level of steering lock dialled in. The worst case scenario is pulling out onto a major road at a T junction. I always have to reach down for a tap on the gear lever.

 

[ECrider]

both my vehicles have them on the wheel. for serious technical off-roading they probably not going to be in the right place at the right time regardless. For non-technical and road driving with hands at 10 to 2 or so I can operate them with most lock scenarios that don't require one hand spinning. Not experienced those on the steering column (locked in position?).

 

[Christian]

My paddles rotate with the stearing wheel. No problems to find/use the paddles

 

[DaveB]

My paddles are on the steering wheel and perfectly positioned for a 9 & 3 hold on the wheel.

 

[PanoramaJJ]

The design of the automatic-shifter ist not a problem for me - I will use it. Thats ist.
My problem was that Ineos only offers an automatic transmission - so I really thought about buying a new Toyota GRJ 7 (76/78/79) oder a Jeep Wrangler (not the Rubicon) with manual gearbox. But I WANTED the INEOS - and so I accepted the automatic transmission. The design of the shifter - well, You´ll like it or not - is this really a PROBLEM? Look at this exciting car. Inside. Outside. You will drive a car, that nobody has seen yet. Everyone knows Maserati, Ferrari, Lamborghini - but an INEOS? NEVER EVER! They will think it´s a Land Rover...

 

[Disco Dave]

I have no idea why people are so hung up on needing a manual transmission. Off-road, a modern auto makes a manual look very inadequate, especially so the ZF transmission.

 

[DaveB]

I have no idea why people are so hung up on needing a manual transmission. Off-road, a modern auto makes a manual look very inadequate, especially so the ZF transmission.

Not going to be any manuals when we all go electric so better get used to it.
I enjoy driving a manual occasionally but wouldn't want to do it every day.
When we put the Grenadier into manual mode it held that gear up hill and down hill.
I manually changed it from 1st low to second and then third as needed then back to first to go up the steep grass berm.
Once over I just flicked it back across to auto.
Only thing missing was the third pedal and the space needed to put one.
I have seen so many people over the years resting their left foot on the clutch, and not even realising it.