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Winter Operations

Pete Brown

Grenadier Owner
Local time
3:15 AM
Joined
Jul 22, 2023
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Location
Anchorage, Alaska
Good morning from above Anchorage where it’s 3 F (-16 C°) and has been this cold for a few days.

My Grenny stays outside all winter and I drive it almost daily. This is its second winter outside and it has about 22k miles and the single battery system. Yesterday I did a 25 minute drive into town and back and it sat overnight last night cold soaking at 3°, verified by my industrial temp probe this morning which agrees with the Grenny thermometer. I went out this morning to document its winter electrical state of health.

The new locks work flawlessly so no more messing around with sticking doors. Starting was quick and easy and right after starting, the electrical display showed a battery temp of 3° (same as the outside air temp), 83% capacity and 3-4 amp idle charge rate. The car was started with all switches off (from the night before), fan off, fan zone to position 1, and cabin thermoset set to max. After ignition, I set the fan speed to 1 and directed air to windshield defrost.

I did a short drive up the hill from my house. Battery temp remained stable at 3° as the engine compartment did not heat up much on this short drive.

Charging remained in the 2 to 4A range, briefly running up to the 10 to 12A range when accelerating up the steep (8°) hill but stabilizing in the 2 to 4% range and state of charge stabilizing at 86%. Normally the state of charge to creep up a bit to the very low 90s as the battery warms but that takes a bit longer than I drove today.

After a climb of about 1,000 vertical ft, I directed the fan to heat the cabin and got good heat. As far as I am concerned, this is a great winter car.

FWIW, I do a few things which may help the electrical system on cold mornings.

1) On shut down the previous time I have driven it, I turn off every electrical circuit I can.
2) I double click the key to put the system to sleep asap.

There is no need to have then battery driving anything but the starter the next time I start. Once the engine is running, the lights, seat warmer, fan, etc, can come on when the alternator can deal with the additional electrical load. I am not sure if this necessary but I figure it can only help when it’s cold.



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Good morning from above Anchorage where it’s 3 F (-16 C°) and has been this cold for a few days.

My Grenny stays outside all winter and I drive it almost daily. This is its second winter outside and it has about 22k miles and the single battery system. Yesterday I did a 25 minute drive into town and back and it sat overnight last night cold soaking at 3°, verified by my industrial temp probe this morning which agrees with the Grenny thermometer. I went out this morning to document its winter electrical state of health.

The new locks work flawlessly so no more messing around with sticking doors. Starting was quick and easy and right after starting, the electrical display showed a battery temp of 3° (same as the outside air temp), 83% capacity and 3-4 amp idle charge rate. The car was started with all switches off (from the night before), fan off, fan zone to position 1, and cabin thermoset set to max. After ignition, I set the fan speed to 1 and directed air to windshield defrost.

I did a short drive up the hill from my house. Battery temp remained stable at 3° as the engine compartment did not heat up much on this short drive.

Charging remained in the 2 to 4A range, briefly running up to the 10 to 12A range when accelerating up the steep (8°) hill but stabilizing in the 2 to 4% range and state of charge stabilizing at 86%. Normally the state of charge to creep up a bit to the very low 90s as the battery warms but that takes a bit longer than I drove today.

After a climb of about 1,000 vertical ft, I directed the fan to heat the cabin and got good heat. As far as I am concerned, this is a great winter car.

FWIW, I do a few things which may help the electrical system on cold mornings.

1) On shut down the previous time I have driven it, I turn off every electrical circuit I can.
2) I double click the key to put the system to sleep asap.

There is no need to have then battery driving anything but the starter the next time I start. Once the engine is running, the lights, seat warmer, fan, etc, can come on when the alternator can deal with the additional electrical load. I am not sure if this necessary but I figure it can only help when it’s cold.



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Forecast is -7F Saturday and Sunday, so that’s fun. I also think it does pretty well in winter. I would still like to see a few things in their cold weather design:
Heated steering wheel
Heated windshield
Heated headlights
Improved AC/heat calibration and sensors

My biggest problems tend not to be at the coldest temps, but in that sleety/wet snow stage (high 20’s to mid 30’s). Snow sticking to headlights and dimming them, freezing rain on the windshield so I have to turn on defrost mode which unleashes the forces of hell - that stuff. It all works fine but is annoying. I have a heated garage so I know this is just whining. We’re not made of the same burly stuff down here in Wisconsin - have to be within 15 minutes of cheese curds and a brandy Old Fashioned, or we get the shakes.
 
In Texas our cold has started. I think we have hit a low of 31 degrees (F) but the thing heats up within 100 yards of pulling out of the house in the morning. Cabin heat is awesome, but yes the temp (reostat) is a PITA. Heated windhield, wipers, steering wheel and headlights would be a great “Cold Weather Package” upgrade.
 
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Good morning from above Anchorage where it’s 3 F (-16 C°) and has been this cold for a few days.

My Grenny stays outside all winter and I drive it almost daily. This is its second winter outside and it has about 22k miles and the single battery system. Yesterday I did a 25 minute drive into town and back and it sat overnight last night cold soaking at 3°, verified by my industrial temp probe this morning which agrees with the Grenny thermometer. I went out this morning to document its winter electrical state of health.

The new locks work flawlessly so no more messing around with sticking doors. Starting was quick and easy and right after starting, the electrical display showed a battery temp of 3° (same as the outside air temp), 83% capacity and 3-4 amp idle charge rate. The car was started with all switches off (from the night before), fan off, fan zone to position 1, and cabin thermoset set to max. After ignition, I set the fan speed to 1 and directed air to windshield defrost.

I did a short drive up the hill from my house. Battery temp remained stable at 3° as the engine compartment did not heat up much on this short drive.

Charging remained in the 2 to 4A range, briefly running up to the 10 to 12A range when accelerating up the steep (8°) hill but stabilizing in the 2 to 4% range and state of charge stabilizing at 86%. Normally the state of charge to creep up a bit to the very low 90s as the battery warms but that takes a bit longer than I drove today.

After a climb of about 1,000 vertical ft, I directed the fan to heat the cabin and got good heat. As far as I am concerned, this is a great winter car.

FWIW, I do a few things which may help the electrical system on cold mornings.

1) On shut down the previous time I have driven it, I turn off every electrical circuit I can.
2) I double click the key to put the system to sleep asap.

There is no need to have then battery driving anything but the starter the next time I start. Once the engine is running, the lights, seat warmer, fan, etc, can come on when the alternator can deal with the additional electrical load. I am not sure if this necessary but I figure it can only help when it’s cold.



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Good morning from above Anchorage where it’s 3 F (-16 C°) and has been this cold for a few days.

My Grenny stays outside all winter and I drive it almost daily. This is its second winter outside and it has about 22k miles and the single battery system. Yesterday I did a 25 minute drive into town and back and it sat overnight last night cold soaking at 3°, verified by my industrial temp probe this morning which agrees with the Grenny thermometer. I went out this morning to document its winter electrical state of health.

The new locks work flawlessly so no more messing around with sticking doors. Starting was quick and easy and right after starting, the electrical display showed a battery temp of 3° (same as the outside air temp), 83% capacity and 3-4 amp idle charge rate. The car was started with all switches off (from the night before), fan off, fan zone to position 1, and cabin thermoset set to max. After ignition, I set the fan speed to 1 and directed air to windshield defrost.

I did a short drive up the hill from my house. Battery temp remained stable at 3° as the engine compartment did not heat up much on this short drive.

Charging remained in the 2 to 4A range, briefly running up to the 10 to 12A range when accelerating up the steep (8°) hill but stabilizing in the 2 to 4% range and state of charge stabilizing at 86%. Normally the state of charge to creep up a bit to the very low 90s as the battery warms but that takes a bit longer than I drove today.

After a climb of about 1,000 vertical ft, I directed the fan to heat the cabin and got good heat. As far as I am concerned, this is a great winter car.

FWIW, I do a few things which may help the electrical system on cold mornings.

1) On shut down the previous time I have driven it, I turn off every electrical circuit I can.
2) I double click the key to put the system to sleep asap.

There is no need to have then battery driving anything but the starter the next time I start. Once the engine is running, the lights, seat warmer, fan, etc, can come on when the alternator can deal with the additional electrical load. I am not sure if this necessary but I figure it can only help when it’s cold.



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Well thought out habit in my book. I make sure of the exact same process, whichever the car and whatever the time of year. 👍
 
Well since Alaska is more than 4 times the area of Minnesota and Wisconsin combined, I think it makes more sense for us to adopt you.
We would probably like that. But we would be midwestern about it so we couldn’t be too openly enthusiastic- we just wouldn’t want to give the universe an excuse to do something really bad in the interest of “maintaining balance.”
 
We would probably like that. But we would be midwestern about it so we couldn’t be too openly enthusiastic- we just wouldn’t want to give the universe an excuse to do something really bad in the interest of “maintaining balance.”
And then put ranch on it.
 
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