Why did pricing jump for me so much this year?

[HereinDaRockies]

Let’s redirect all that energy on both sides towards IA.

Starting with - what did Calder say about the drive shaft issue in the forum’s podcast?

 

[AWo]

I support Krabby and the forum policy to keep politics out. Why? I run a large forum myself and we handle it there the same way. As admins we're not saying don't stand up, be silent, have this or that political view etc. We just say, don't express this here. Especially in these times people also need a place where they can get away from all that and where they can focus on just what they love. There is no need to politicize every single aspect of the life. It is ok, no, there must be a place, where you can get away from this.

Because there are so many other ways to express the personal view and during the day ist is already hard to escape all this stuff.

If, and only then, this forum would be the only place to exchange views on things like politics, you should keep that open (in German your would even be required to keep it open) for such discussions. But as there are hundreds and thousands of different possibilities to be an active political member of the community, it is not required to open this forum for such an exchange. And I appreciate to have a place where one can steer thoughts in a different direction.

If you politicize every single part of your life, it will not be to your favour. If you choose to do so, you can, but then you have to acknowlegde, that this home belongs to someone else and this person makes the rules. To compare the admin decision to something else which non-Trump-supporters should understand immediately.....if the Danish say no, it means no.

I know from my own forum, that you never have a clear and sharp line between non-politics and politics as these topics automotive etc. are connected to politics. However, we try to use common sense what is acceptible and what is not according to our rule to keep politics out. And we know that this is a very emotional thing. But we also know, if you let that go once, you'll not recognize the forum again and there will be a lot of stress and anger etc.

Care about it, do something about it, get involved....but just not here. It would be sad to lose such a place to these political struggles and their players. It would just become another loss...

AWo

 

[Logsplitter]

Back to Ineos Automotive and I think one of the reasons for price increases, is the amount of money they must be haemorrhaging,due to all the campaign and warranty work on early vehicles. Hopefully an awful lot of money is being spent on fixing the front driveshaft issue. A better way to fix the auxiliary rads in place would be a bonus too.

 

[Tinerfeño]

Built in France but your point stands.

Austria and France are both Euro countries so no difference,

 

[GN4HIR]

I stopped by Mossy Ineos in Houston to ask a service Q about my '24 w/21k miles and they talked me into taking a '25 Fieldmaster so I could have safari windows and high amp switches. Anyway, the sticker was no where close to the configurator price. Then I realized the base price was raised to include tariffs. Then they were giving a manufacturer discount of $10k to offset the tariff.

 

[sidpost]

Built in France but your point stands.

I was told they were built in Austria at the Styer-Puch plant, like the G-Wagons.

Curious if, or why, production moved to France.

 

[HereinDaRockies]

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I was told they were built in Austria at the Styer-Puch plant, like the G-Wagons.

Curious if, or why, production moved to France.

It was only ever built in France.

 

[sidpost]

Please stop the political commentary or the thread will be locked. We really do not want politics or religion discussions here. You are naturally free to think and feel as you wish but this is not the place to express those views. There are many other forums in the ether to discuss such matters.

Thanks! Political impacts are beyond our control. What I cannot fathom is the drastic price differentials that now appear to be dynamic and change near daily.

 

[sidpost]

You are absolutely right.
So I just point out that the prices for the Grenadier and the Quatermaster in the USA might rise another 10 to 30 % within the next 12 months. This might be caused by a weeker US$ and economical based decisions by administrations.
This would not support the company nor the potential buyer nor the owner that will probably face fewer service stations in their neighbourhood.

#deeplyfrustrated

The US Dollar has slowly been falling in value compared to the Euro. Perhaps that is part of my pricing differential.

 

[Shopkeep]

I was told they were built in Austria at the Styer-Puch plant, like the G-Wagons.

Curious if, or why, production moved to France.

Engineered by the Austrians at Steyer, was originally going to be built in a new plant in Wales but post Brexit Uncle Jim got what he thought was the deal of a lifetime on a lightly used Mercedes Benz plant in Hambach France that was making Smart cars. Looks like MB may have got the better end of the deal after all.

 

[sidpost]

I stopped by Mossy Ineos in Houston to ask a service Q about my '24 w/21k miles and they talked me into taking a '25 Fieldmaster so I could have safari windows and high amp switches. Anyway, the sticker was no where close to the configurator price. Then I realized the base price was raised to include tariffs. Then they were giving a manufacturer discount of $10k to offset the tariff.

Working with Mossy now. Hope to see them in a week or so, but phone sales support has been weak.

 

[AWo]

Engineered by the Austrians at Steyer, was originally going to be built in a new plant in Wales but post Brexit Uncle Jim got what he thought was the deal of a lifetime on a lightly used Mercedes Benz plant in Hambach France that was making Smart cars. Looks like MB may have got the better end of the deal after all.

Read the old press releases...

Engineered by AKKA Technologies, former MBTech. The drivetrain was developed by Magna Drivetrain in Steyr, Austria and not by Magna Steyr in Graz, Austria. Different Companies which belong to one Holding. "Steyr" is a city in Austria and part of the name of Magna Steyr....complicated...I know...

Magna Steyr in Graz was responsible to transfer the prototype into a normal mass production vehicle, after development. They were the desired engineering partner once, but Magna Steyr rejected in the early days.

Magna Steyr in Graz should develop the Fusilier once, but that was cancelled by Ineos.

AWo

 

[sidpost]

This helps clear up some of the confusion I have had after many Expo discussions about these with owners, various dealers, and representatives.

Lots of confusion and misinformation in the past. I still vaguely remember seeing some early prototypes at MTN West in Colorado.

 

[AWo]

The headline says "Magna Steyr" but inside the news you can read that the driveline comes from Magna Drivetrain and that Magna Steyr is responsible for the transformation to a production vehicle:

INEOS Automotive Announces Engineering Partner For The Grenadier Development

INEOS has enlisted engineering partner, Magna Steyr, to help with the development of the new Grenadier 4X4. Read about the partnership here.

ineosgrenadier.com

Here is the announcement of MBtech, later AKKA, as the engineering partner:

INEOS Automotive Announces Appointment of Mbtech as its Engineering Partner for Projekt Grenadier

The partnership represents a step forward for Projekt Grenadier, as automotive experts and engineers begin work on design and build to a tight project timeline.

www.ineos.com

Quotation: "MBtech will begin work to take the initial design concepts through to a fully engineered vehicle and will be producing the first mule vehicles, followed by prototypes, later in 2018. It will be responsible for working up the exact specifications of the vehicle to ensure that it is a truly rugged, reliable and uncompromising 4x4."

Interesting...the information was once on the Grenadier Website, then it moved to the Ineos website only. You can't find it on the Ineos Automotive website anymore....does Magna Steyr just sound better...? Before the Grenadier MBTech did things like the MB E-Class convertible....

The reason why Magna rejected a cooperation in the first place was simple. They produce the Jaguar F-Pace. Many in the board feared that Jaguar Land Rover would take away the F-Pace from Magna, when they deal with Ineos. They knew what they had with JLR, but not with Ineos. When I joined Mr. Heilmann on his visit to Magna Steyr in Graz as a Journalist, they told us, it is not the first time that "someone" comes along and wants to build a car. So they simply didn't want to risk their relationship to JLR. They took Ineos not serious at that time.

AWo

 

[AWo]

Before there was the Ineos Grenadier Website there was the "Projekt Grenader" website (https://projektgrenadier.com - you can find it in the Internet Wayback Machine" today, as it is switched off. You can find some interesting information there. BTW, recognized the "k" in "Projekt"? That was by intension. It should be the hint that there is German engineering behind, as the English word "Project" is written "Projekt" in German.

Here you can read the AKKA/MBtech announcement (and more): https://web.archive.org/web/20190424040944/https://projektgrenadier.com/mbtech-engineering-partner/

Using the Wayback Machine you can also find interesting statements to the original timeline of the Grenadier etc. ;-)

AWo

 

[Shopkeep]

Read the old press releases...

Engineered by AKKA Technologies, former MBTech. The drivetrain was developed by Magna Drivetrain in Steyr, Austria and not by Magna Steyr in Graz, Austria. Different Companies which belong to one Holding. "Steyr" is a city in Austria and part of the name of Magna Steyr....complicated...I know...

Magna Steyr in Graz was responsible to transfer the prototype into a normal mass production vehicle, after development. They were the desired engineering partner once, but Magna Steyr rejected in the early days.

Magna Steyr in Graz should develop the Fusilier once, but that was cancelled by Ineos.

AWo

But I did read the old press release…
MAGNA STEYR JOINS INEOS AS ENGINEERING PARTNER

 

[AWo]

But I did read the old press release…
MAGNA STEYR JOINS INEOS AS ENGINEERING PARTNER

Yes, and what does it read? I qouted it above....

"INEOS Automotive has announced an expansion of its partnership with global mobility technology company, Magna. Its subsidiary, Magna Powertrain, has been responsible for chassis and suspension development since the inception of the project. It will now be joined by Magna Steyr, which will undertake the series development phase of the forthcoming Grenadier."

That is what I wrote....Magna Steyr didn't develop the car, that was AKKA (see old press release), Magna Drivetrain in Steyr made the drivetrain and Magna Steyr in Graz transformed the prototype into a vehicle whoch can be produced on a production line. Tell me, that I'm wrong....

AWo

 

[Shopkeep]

Yes, and what does it read? I qouted it above....

"INEOS Automotive has announced an expansion of its partnership with global mobility technology company, Magna. Its subsidiary, Magna Powertrain, has been responsible for chassis and suspension development since the inception of the project. It will now be joined by Magna Steyr, which will undertake the series development phase of the forthcoming Grenadier."

That is what I wrote....Magna Steyr didn't develop the car, that was AKKA (see old press release), Magna Drivetrain in Steyr made the drivetrain and Magna Steyr in Graz transformed the prototype into a vehicle whoch can be produced on a production line. Tell me, that I'm wrong....

AWo

So you’re telling me a car company stretches the truth when promoting their vehicles? Surely not?

 

[AWo]

Which truth was stretched here?

I think I can proof what I wrote with the Ineos own press and news releases and by my personal visit at Magna Steyr in Graz with Mr. Heilmann, the former CEO of Ineos Automotive.

From X:
Translation: "Project Grenadier 4x4: Automotive division of #Ineos and #AKKA Technologies develop a new offroad-Vehicle together. #MBTech received a large order from energy giant INEOS to develop a new 4x4."

That is a link to LinkedIn and a post from former AKKA CEO Mr. Berenger about that partnership. It is the official press release: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/project-grenadier-ineos-automotive-akka-technologies-team-martin/

AWo

 

[sidpost]

The headline says "Magna Steyr" but inside the news you can read that the driveline comes from Magna Drivetrain and that Magna Steyr is responsible for the transformation to a production vehicle:

INEOS Automotive Announces Engineering Partner For The Grenadier Development

INEOS has enlisted engineering partner, Magna Steyr, to help with the development of the new Grenadier 4X4. Read about the partnership here.

ineosgrenadier.com

Here is the announcement of MBtech, later AKKA, as the engineering partner:

INEOS Automotive Announces Appointment of Mbtech as its Engineering Partner for Projekt Grenadier

The partnership represents a step forward for Projekt Grenadier, as automotive experts and engineers begin work on design and build to a tight project timeline.

www.ineos.com

Quotation: "MBtech will begin work to take the initial design concepts through to a fully engineered vehicle and will be producing the first mule vehicles, followed by prototypes, later in 2018. It will be responsible for working up the exact specifications of the vehicle to ensure that it is a truly rugged, reliable and uncompromising 4x4."

Interesting...the information was once on the Grenadier Website, then it moved to the Ineos website only. You can't find it on the Ineos Automotive website anymore....does Magna Steyr just sound better...? Before the Grenadier MBTech did things like the MB E-Class convertible....

The reason why Magna rejected a cooperation in the first place was simple. They produce the Jaguar F-Pace. Many in the board feared that Jaguar Land Rover would take away the F-Pace from Magna, when they deal with Ineos. They knew what they had with JLR, but not with Ineos. When I joined Mr. Heilmann on his visit to Magna Steyr in Graz as a Journalist, they told us, it is not the first time that "someone" comes along and wants to build a car. So they simply didn't want to risk their relationship to JLR. They took Ineos not serious at that time.

AWo

Wealth Of good information there and the following posts! THANKS!