Americas Why all the fuss about fuel economy?

[Bobcat Sig]

I bought my 2024 Fieldmaster Edition in March of this year. I had braced myself for poor fuel economy. I have had many 4x4 vehicles over the years so it comes with the territory. I'm currently used to it as I also have a 2017 F-250 Super Duty that gets around 11mpg. I don't drive much, so it's never really been a big deal. For example, my F-250 has around 46k miles on it and my 2016 Range Rover had about 40k on it when I got the Grenadier. That said, I find myself looking for excuses to drive it and have put a few more miles on it now than I would normally.
I'll get to the point. I work in IT services and I generally do not commute these days. I was forced to spend two weeks driving about 25 miles each way across Portland, Or. and out to Beaverton, Or. I braced myself for constant fuel ups and was pleasantly surprised that my nominal average was around 19mpg during this time. I'm including a photo from my personal best on a day when there was little traffic. In fact, since I have had it, my average mileage is somewhere in the mid-18mpg range.
The Grenadier gets better mileage than my Jeep Wrangler ever did (12-14mpg) and better than my LR3 or my LR4 (17mpg). The Range Rover did beat it out, but I expected that.

Vancouver, WA
2024 Fieldmaster, Inky Black

Like you, I'm not driving every day. And it's not the fuel economy; it's how that economy affects the range, which is the real issue.

If an INEOS Grenadier owner is merely driving about town and other short trips, it's a non-issue. If one intends to use this for long-distance, off-road travel, then range is a real thing.

It’s a range, not a mileage thing. Luckily, it is just barely enough for a round trip I do.

Bingo

 

[MileHigh]

It’s kind of funny that the biggest gripe on EVs is the lack of range…

 

[[ Adam ]]

Or. I braced myself for constant fuel ups and was pleasantly surprised that my nominal average was around 19mpg during this time. I'm including a photo from my personal best on a day when there was little traffic. In fact, since I have had it, my average mileage is somewhere in the mid-18mpg range.
The Grenadier gets better mileage than my Jeep Wrangler ever did (12-14mpg) and better than my LR3 or my LR4 (17mpg). The Range Rover did beat it out, but I expected that.

People just really love to come here and bitch about everything. I guess its cathartic.

 

[LeeroyJ]

Like you, I'm not driving every day. And it's not the fuel economy; it's how that economy affects the range, which is the real issue.

If an INEOS Grenadier owner is merely driving about town and other short trips, it's a non-issue. If one intends to use this for long-distance, off-road travel, then range is a real thing.



Bingo

I sort of agree with this point, but now that I installed the long ranger tank, range is no longer the issue for me, cost to run is. I'm only averaging 10.32 mpg at an average price of $4.32 per gallon which means I've spent $9,456.61 just on the first 22,815 miles. I've also spent $2,662.03 on service (and am due for another). That's crazy operating expense. Each mile I drive cost me 53 cents (not including the purchase price of the Grenadier), so MPG and service costs are still something I'd like to improve without having to sacrifice usability.

 

[Jeff Olson]

Range can indeed be an issue. Fortunately for me, where I usually drive, I can fill up with fuel conveniently and quickly.

If I really wanted range I would go back to the GMC Sierra Denali with the Baby Duramax diesel engine that I traded for the Grenadier: more than 600 miles per tank, averaging about 27 MPG over the life of the truck (including occasional towing), and easily achieving more than 30 MPG on the highway... (Man, I miss than engine!)

 

[Tazzieman]

I've also spent $2,662.03 on service (and am due for another). .

What , a routine service?

 

[scottg]

Yeah the onboard computer is way optimistic. Mine showed an average of 18.5 my last fillup. (reset every time)

Ran the numbers manually (distance driven/ gallons of fuel) and am actually getting around 15.5

Also I dont trust the distance to empty calculation either. It will show >300 mile range for about 1/3 of the tank- then start dropping quick through the second third of the tank. Then it will hold steady at around 60 miles to empty before it starts running down fast to zero. Definitely not a linear progression.

I left my house the other day with a bit over 1/4 tank at 60 mile range- ran a couple errands drove no more than about 10-15 miles and the car started bonging aggressively on the way home telling me to fill up immediately and the range indicator dropped to 20. lol

C'mon Ineos! If its not going to be even close to remotely accurate then why have it. Just give me an old school analog fuel gauge- and do away with the obnoxious bonging. I've owned vehicles from the late 90's that had more accurate and much less finicky fuel gauge and range remaining calculation systems.

What we really need is for INEOS to detect your GPS coordinates, and known gas stations within 1,000 mi in your travel direction. Then, if you're in the Outback, it should bong on a full tank of gas.

 

[scottg]

People just really love to come here and bitch about everything. I guess its cathartic.

Well, no, they bitch about it in their heads, and when they find out, happily, they were wrong, and it is much better than they expected, *then* they come on to the forum and say how pessimistic they were and how they were happily surprised to be wrong.

 

[Bayford]

This was something I often used to do years ago to check against the accuracy of the on board computer. I can't be bothered anymore.
I'm using diesel, surprise!!

Seconded. I can't be bothered to check the onboard computer against real figures anymore. Easier just to stick a couple of 5 gallon cans of DERV and a funnel in the back if you think range might be a bit tight.

My Triumph TR4 shows great MPG when you calculate that manually but that I suspect is largely because the when the analogue speedometer reads 60mph the GPS speed is about 45mph. So the mileage travelled according to the odometer is about a third over actual. I know I could get it recalibrated but its nice to delude oneself about the acceleration on an old car. Is the Grenadier odometer accurate with standard size tyres and correct tyre pressure?

 

[Zimm]

Seconded. I can't be bothered to check the onboard computer against real figures anymore. Easier just to stick a couple of 5 gallon cans of DERV and a funnel in the back if you think range might be a bit tight.

My Triumph TR4 shows great MPG when you calculate that manually but that I suspect is largely because the when the analogue speedometer reads 60mph the GPS speed is about 45mph. So the mileage travelled according to the odometer is about a third over actual. I know I could get it recalibrated but its nice to delude oneself about the acceleration on an old car. Is the Grenadier odometer accurate with standard size tyres and correct tyre pressure?

my odometer appears accurate. the speed is 5% low, as it should be. one size up tire typically gets you an accurate speed but inaccurate odometer so it all comports.

 

[LeeroyJ]

What , a routine service?

Yes see below -- highway robbery here by the dealers in the US. If I could reset the service reminder, I would do this myself:

 

[pmatusov]

Seconded. I can't be bothered to check the onboard computer against real figures anymore. Easier just to stick a couple of 5 gallon cans of DERV and a funnel in the back if you think range might be a bit tight.

My Triumph TR4 shows great MPG when you calculate that manually but that I suspect is largely because the when the analogue speedometer reads 60mph the GPS speed is about 45mph. So the mileage travelled according to the odometer is about a third over actual. I know I could get it recalibrated but its nice to delude oneself about the acceleration on an old car. Is the Grenadier odometer accurate with standard size tyres and correct tyre pressure?

With the factory tires, the Grenadier odometer is incredibly accurate (to within ~0.3%), while the speedo reads about 5% low.
Now my speedo is almost correct...

 

[abbeyroad]

Yes see below -- highway robbery here by the dealers in the US. If I could reset the service reminder, I would do this myself:View attachment 7905249

Rusnak Pasadena is charging me $350 for an oil change. At least they're providing me a loaner.

 

[Bobcat Sig]

Yes see below -- highway robbery here by the dealers in the US. If I could reset the service reminder, I would do this myself:View attachment 7905249

$450 old change at my local dealer?! Woof... Was that $450 just for an oil change? No other services for that visit?

My Porsche Cayenne Turbo and my 911 Turbo weren't nearly that much! Brutal.

Those cries for users to reset the service light just got louder.

 

[LeeroyJ]

$450 old change at my local dealer?! Woof... Was that $450 just for an oil change? No other services for that visit?

My Porsche Cayenne Turbo and my 911 Turbo weren't nearly that much! Brutal.

Those cries for users to reset the service light just got louder.

Yeah -- I was in town visiting and should have known to be worried about the price for an oil change when I saw the Grenadier dealer is also the Ferrari dealer. They seem to charge Ferrari labor rates and materials mark-ups. Borderline criminal if you ask me. Particularly given that Ineos has yet to provide a way for customers to reset the service reminder (a very clear violation of the law).

 

[Bobcat Sig]

Yeah -- I was in town visiting and should have known to be worried about the price for an oil change when I saw the Grenadier dealer is also the Ferrari dealer. They seem to charge Ferrari labor rates and materials mark-ups. Borderline criminal if you ask me. Particularly given that Ineos has yet to provide a way for customers to reset the service reminder (a very clear violation of the law).

I appreciate you sharing the cost. I now know what I'm in for as RTGT is my local-ish dealer and service center.

 

[[ Adam ]]

(a very clear violation of the law).

What law, specifically?

 

[Bayford]

With the factory tires, the Grenadier odometer is incredibly accurate (to within ~0.3%), while the speedo reads about 5% low.
Now my speedo is almost correct...

Thank you for confirming this

 

[LeeroyJ]

What law, specifically?

It looks like I was getting the current bill (REPAIR Act) that is going through Congress intermixed with the Magnuson act (which is law, not just a bill). The spirit of the Magnuson act would be that you should be able to reset your own service reminder, but it doesn't specifically say that (see the highlighted part of the AI summary below).

The REPAIR Act (Right to Equitable and Professional Auto Industry Repair Act) is bipartisan legislation that has been reintroduced in Congress to address this issue. "It aims to ensure consumers and independent repair shops have access to necessary tools, data, and information to maintain and repair vehicles."

From Google AI:
The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, enforced by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), plays a significant role in consumer protection regarding product warranties, including those for automobiles.
Does it permit a car owner to do their own maintenance?
Yes, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act allows car owners to perform routine maintenance on their vehicles without voiding the manufacturer's warranty.
Here's why:

• Prohibition of "tie-in sales": Manufacturers cannot require you to use their branded parts or services to maintain your warranty, unless those parts or services are provided free of charge under the warranty. This means you can choose an independent mechanic, a retail chain shop, or even perform the maintenance yourself.
• Focus on causation: If a manufacturer tries to deny a warranty claim, they must prove that the non-OEM part or service you used directly caused the defect in question, according to the FTC.

Does it provide the owner the right to reset the service reminder?
While the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act protects your right to perform maintenance, it doesn't explicitly address the right to reset the service reminder itself.
However, the spirit of the Act supports the idea of consumer control over their vehicle's maintenance. Since you can choose to do your own maintenance, the ability to properly maintain your vehicle, which includes acknowledging completed services and resetting indicators, logically follows from the Act's protections.
Key takeaways for car owners

• Keep meticulous records: Always document your maintenance and repairs, including dates, mileage, and parts/fluids used. Keep all receipts.
• Follow manufacturer recommendations: Adhering to the recommended maintenance schedule in your owner's manual is crucial for keeping your car in good condition and maintaining warranty validity.
• Use quality parts and fluids: Ensure that any parts or fluids you use meet or exceed the manufacturer's specifications.
• Stand up for your rights: If a dealership or manufacturer attempts to void your warranty simply because you chose not to use their services, be aware of your rights under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

In essence, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act empowers you to choose your maintenance provider and perform routine services yourself, as long as you follow recommended procedures and use appropriate parts. This indirectly implies the right to manage aspects like service reminders that are part of that maintenance process.

 

[landmannnn]

Noting that US farmers beat John Deere in this about 18 months ago.