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[CrazyOldMan]

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How about this desert racer?

When 2/3 of it is suspension - you know someone is bringing the party

 

[AWo]

JLR at least managed to increase the price of the ND and despite that also the sales.

AWo

 

[MattA]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf_ftpRLAkg

 

[Tom109]

"Raptorized" Defender 110..

Looks Cool, Ridiculously priced, BMW 4.4 V8 is a marvelous engine to drive, but prone to many issues. Of course, most people who can afford to purchased vehicles at this price point don't keep them long enough to care..

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Will the 4.4 V8 fit in the Grenadier? Seems like a better solution.

 

[LRNAD90]

Will the 4.4 V8 fit in the Grenadier? Seems like a better solution.

I'd imagine it would, but not sure I'd want it..

 

[holdmybeer]

Is there a Euro V8 that would offer reliability and lifetime to beat the B58 and tuning we've got? (I recognize our B58 and its tuning and mating to the drivetrain and weight of the Grenadier is also yet to be proven...)

 

[INEOS OG]

Is this the commercial?

I think it's one of the better looking NDs I've seen but they're still not my cup of tea. And starting at $152,000!

yeah no

 

[DaveB]

Is there a Euro V8 that would offer reliability and lifetime to beat the B58 and tuning we've got? (I recognize our B58 and its tuning and mating to the drivetrain and weight of the Grenadier is also yet to be proven...)

You hit the nail on the head.
The Ineos engines have been detuned for longer lifetime but it seems some customers want more speed and don't plan on keeping the vehicle long term.
We are lucky we get the B57 Diesel which suits the Grenadier a lot better I think.
It also comes with the more robust gearbox that can handle 760NM?? ( 560 freedom units) buit is detuned to 550 NM but flat from 1200 rpm.
That is focussed on long term reliability.

 

[landmannnn]

Is there a Euro V8 that would offer reliability and lifetime to beat the B58 and tuning we've got? (I recognize our B58 and its tuning and mating to the drivetrain and weight of the Grenadier is also yet to be proven...)

V8s are great. One thing that may have influenced the straight 6 is ease of maintenance.
V8s are hard to work on, especially when you add turbos. It's pretty common to have to lift the body off to access key components which makes it a more specialist job.

 

[CRH]

I don't get the point of very fast SUV'S. If you have that kind of money have a proper sports car to do much better sports car stuff, even a fast estate car would be better, AMG, Audi, BMW. Then get the best off road vehicle for showing the mum's on the school run that you are a true adventurous real man with your wheel jointly bumped up the curb. Get a convertible for summer stuff and a little shopping trolley type for the supermarket.
Fast suv's seem to impress fewer people as they are generally neither one thing or another
That's my opinion and you are all free to have yours, it will be wrong, but you have the freedom to think it

 

[Leonidas]

You hit the nail on the head.
The Ineos engines have been detuned for longer lifetime but it seems some customers want more speed and don't plan on keeping the vehicle long term.
We are lucky we get the B57 Diesel which suits the Grenadier a lot better I think.
It also comes with the more robust gearbox that can handle 760NM?? ( 560 freedom units) buit is detuned to 550 NM but flat from 1200 rpm.
That is focussed on long term reliability.

Completely agree with what you say!
I understand that the gearbox is of the same type as the Rolls Royce.would you know what the main differences are?

 

[AWo]

When I see pictures of the original camshaft of the B58 (Part Nr. TVDI 261-120 8618195) I see an assembled camshaft, not an one pice camshaft. That is the opposite of long lifetime. They're used to reduce the weight (were the average Grenadier owner is not interested in) and to save fuel as less mass needs to be accelerated.

"Assembled" means, shat the cams are pressed on the shaft and it is not casted or cut out of one piece. I don't like them. If they fail the valves collide with the pistons or if a cam have moved you'll have a lot of fun finding the error. Audi actually sees a lot of problems with this type. Problems never existed before....

AWo

 

[Commodore]

When I see pictures of the original camshaft of the B58 (Part Nr. TVDI 261-120 8618195) I see an assembled camshaft, not an one pice camshaft. That is the opposite of long lifetime. They're used to reduce the weight (were the average Grenadier owner is not interested in) and to save fuel as less mass needs to be accelerated.

"Assembled" means, shat the cams are pressed on the shaft and it is not casted or cut out of one piece. I don't like them. If they fail the valves collide with the pistons or if a cam have moved you'll have a lot of fun finding the error. Audi actually sees a lot of problems with this type. Problems never existed before....

AWo

The B58 has been out for a long time now. How frequently are these failures seen in real life?

 

[DaveB]

Completely agree with what you say!
I understand that the gearbox is of the same type as the Rolls Royce.would you know what the main differences are?

Rolls Royce uses the 8HP95 which takes a lot more torque
The 8HP51 used in the petrol Grenadier is very restricted on Torque and is at 90% max rating already
The BMW B58B30C Petrol engine is also detuned a fair way in the Grenadier but is limited by the gearbox.
The 8HP76 used in the Diesel is only at 72% of max so extremely under stressed.
The B57B0T0 engine used in the Grenadier Diesel is is also detuned a lot but not limited by the gearbox in realistic terms.

Personally I think the diesel combination really suits the Grenadier and it is great to drive.

 

[Tom109]

Personally I think the diesel combination really suits the Grenadier and it is great to drive.

It all looks great on paper, but even if the diesel was offered in the USA, I still get the petrol. 'Cause, you know, modern diesels....

 

[Leonidas]

Rolls Royce uses the 8HP95 which takes a lot more torque
The 8HP51 used in the petrol Grenadier is very restricted on Torque and is at 90% max rating already
The BMW B58B30C Petrol engine is also detuned a fair way in the Grenadier but is limited by the gearbox.
The 8HP76 used in the Diesel is only at 72% of max so extremely under stressed.
The B57B0T0 engine used in the Grenadier Diesel is is also detuned a lot but not limited by the gearbox in realistic terms.

Personally I think the diesel combination really suits the Grenadier and it is great to drive.


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excellent documents !
many thanks

 

[Krabby]

It's still difficult to understand why IA didn't just use the 76 for both engines. Perhaps it saved a few dollars but in just about every market (excluding NA) that means service providers need to worry about two different major powertrain components. Just seems odd to me, but I'm sure someone in the know might be able to shed light on the decision. Truth be told, I wish this was the petrol case was the 76 is not only more stout but is less stressed.

 

[mcdoogs]

It's still difficult to understand why IA didn't just use the 76 for both engines. Perhaps it saved a few dollars but in just about every market (excluding NA) that means service providers need to worry about two different major powertrain components. Just seems odd to me, but I'm sure someone in the know might be able to shed light on the decision. Truth be told, I wish this was the case as the 76 is not only more stout but is less stressed.

Almost certainly cost given those numbers above

Sucks we dont get access to the diesel combination here in the US

 

[AWo]

The B58 has been out for a long time now. How frequently are these failures seen in real life?

My work-neighbour (runs a workshop) saw already some of these issues with Ford, VW and Audi. looking through car forums you'll find more.

AWo

 

[Tomdoc]

This is an apples vs oranges conversation. My opinion is that JLR make really nice SUV cars. They used to make a really good off-road product that meant I could take one on rough terrain and not be concerned that it would possibly get a bit dinged up (It's a Defender - it's supposed to look used a bit). The IG still fits fits that mould - hence why I got one to replace my Defender. I have a VW Golf for popping to the shops.