We don’t want a ridiculous work around that shits the bed half the time. We want the promised update. Why everyone is so accepting of what they would absolutely no accept from any other brand is strange to me.
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We don’t want a ridiculous work around that shits the bed half the time. We want the promised update. Why everyone is so accepting of what they would absolutely no accept from any other brand is strange to me.
No I’m Spartacus
If toms letter doesn’t enumerate all the information that was repeated brought forth by complaining, it would be devoid of pertinent content.I think Tom's carefully considered letter and calm mature call with Lyn Calder has achieved the correct route.
No Trumpian petulant angry masturbating, which seems to be a more than occasional thing around here and on the festy swamp of various socials.
There's no point in have a hypertensive stroke or mental breakdown over a car. Unless you want to spend money at the doctors
They merely reflect your attitude. suck one, suck all.
Because they see the truck as part of their identity, and not as a truck. If you insult the truck you insult who they see themselves as. You could point out faults with their children and get less of a hostile response.
These people and many like them do. It makes the car a bad experience and obliterates the resale. On the bright side, I'm sure they feel better knowing yours is silent. They should be a team player and stfu though, right?
No, my response is that maybe the issue may have been addressed. Maybe they then can use it the information and get a solution.
Just read your post about Annee.
Abuse is unnecessary, we all have differing opinions and beliefs. If you have strong ones there is no need to abuse others who also have strong but differing beliefs.
I have had you PM me and also my namesake Jeremy about my post. FFS - what has happened to free speech? If you feel this way - delete me. I can live my life very happily without reading the moans on here.
I wouldn't take it to heart, I enjoy your input, and did Annee's too. The reply from Stu was factual and in written text can come across as cold and scolding. I think this why we have half of the abuse on here. Typed messages do not get any emotions across, whether joking, helpful and especially sarcastic (my favourite) and when read cause upset and resentment to the person concerned where as others may see nothing but help or a joke.
Tom, it is not your content. You have done a tremendous job and Lynns response was brilliant. I just received two PM's from the moderators and I really don't need any hassle in life these days. I have learnt some great things on the Forum, but I do get fed up of the negatives, so will be happy to be deleted in the morning.
From what I have gathered on this forum more than others it seems is sort of 3 “camps” the “Ineos is amazing and all the issues are NBD” or the “don’t comment just read and mostly passive” and the “ What a shit show why is Ineos so screwed up” and the clas is between groups 1 and 3. Anyone who has had any serious issue with the truck is shamed and told to stop complaining by the “I love my Grennie” group. Like anyone who has an issue should just be happy that Ineos made the truck and should accept all the problems as “normal” I myself have clashed with several people here who basically told me to either accept sub par no excuse build problems or “sell it and move on” that I should be grateful to the Ineos gods for building a truck that spent more time with the dealership then it did in my possession in a year of ownership. It seems group 1 and group 3 have very different views of how the forum should work as well. Group 1 wants only positive posts with no complaints, while group 3 wants solutions and to make it public that there are actual serious flaws with the truck. And to be honest this forum has had some pretty serious clashes that don’t make sense to me. I’ve never understood how people can choose to be so unkind to people having serious problems with a vehicle. Meanwhile others seem content to accept serious short comings as quaint Quirks that are NBD. I truly have no idea, it’s a strange forum.
It's not that weird - have a look at some of the smaller enthusiast car fora, like Lotus, Morgan or BAC. Much of what we are experiencing is a consequence of Ineos Automotive being a new start-up with limited staff and bandwidth. The problem is both extremes are true - IA have done an incredible job bringing a new niche vehicle to market, so nearly right; and there are some massive flaws in marketing, logistics, software choices, customer service, provision of support and general public relations.
