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Cracked windscreen and insurance

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It would be ironic if a piece of glass resulted in limp home mode.
Does the Italian tractor company make windscreens?
 

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That is because the windscreen is very upright. - The problem of having a thin foil on the outside of windscreen at least in Germany might be approved by authority - reason is security, - functionality of windscreen wipers and see through capability shall not be restricted in both directions - so a speed camera can still identify the driver - (in my opinion the main reason) I am considering that but I do not know if there are any protective films that can be attached on the outside are available and also approved.
Interesting comments; however, with the size of the stones being thrown up on UK roads, you’d need a B6 category bullet proof windscreen to avoid creeping cracks!
 

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Interesting comments; however, with the size of the stones being thrown up on UK roads, you’d need a B6 category bullet proof windscreen to avoid creeping cracks!
In the meantime I verified with some companies. In general it is not possible to have the windscreen covered. There is one exception - if the vehicle is intended for a person that needs special protection .. so you get foils that protect against massive kinetic energy and resist even against (smaller) bullet types (Link directs to Haverkamp in German only) - but to get VIP status to have driver - co driver windows and windscreen protected that is rather difficult.
 

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I may be tempting fate here - but I have driven Defenders of all types for over 30 years (OK - SII and III also) and never had a windscreen chip or need to replace - seems to me they also have "upright windscreens". So there is a bit of confounding bias here I think.
 

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But what is the secret sauce, what makes Gorilla glass "stronger" if indeed it is?
Im not talking about gorilla or anything funky. There‘s loads of specifications for glass, and windscreens are all toughened and laminated anyway, with varying spec for each layer. Along with every other van, truck, bus, 4wd the grenadier needs to break as infrequently as we are used to. It happens, it’s expensive and inconvenient, but Im not suggesting anything beyond normal effective toughness is required, just not inferior. (Better is fine too of course😉)
 

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I may be tempting fate here - but I have driven Defenders of all types for over 30 years (OK - SII and III also) and never had a windscreen chip or need to replace - seems to me they also have "upright windscreens". So there is a bit of confounding bias here I think.
Nothing has happened to me so far with my series Land Rovers either. However, I only drive them on roads with little traffic. My Disco2, on the other hand, has 350 km on the clock and is often driven on the motorway. Suddenly a stone comes flying from somewhere that has come loose from the tread of a tyre. You don't do anything anymore.

Over 30 years ago, I was driving alone on a country road. There was no other vehicle around.
Suddenly there is a loud bang right in front of me on the windscreen. It was a circular hole and the windscreen was only slightly cracked around it.
I suspected a projectile from a hunting rifle and went to the police to report it. The police confirmed this and said they were looking for anyone who was out hunting at the time. Unfortunately, they never found anyone who was out hunting at that time. Or, as I suspect, they didn't want to find anyone.
 

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I may be tempting fate here - but I have driven Defenders of all types for over 30 years (OK - SII and III also) and never had a windscreen chip or need to replace - seems to me they also have "upright windscreens". So there is a bit of confounding bias here I think.
With 40 years behind the wheels of everything from cars, 4x4’s , vans and HGV’s I’d never had so much as a chip on anything I’d driven. Until this year. My Mercedes Van took a chip bottom right hand edge. Thought I’d got away with it for three or so months, until on a hot spring day whilst parked at work, it suddenly went all spider.
I too thought I’d got away with my Grenadier the other day, but no such luck.

Our roads are more congested, in poorer state of repair (!) and very seldom swept.
I cycle a lot, and have noticed more and more wheel nuts on the side of the road these days. I wouldn’t fancy seeing the damage or injuries caused by one being picked up by a lorry and launched. Only B6 Class glass would deflect that!
 

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Obviously that cannot change , it was just an acceptance of the facts from my point of view. If i need to change the glass now and then so be it . Funny enought drove a nissan patrol for 10 years never had a crack only a rock chip that never evolved into anything . anyway . as you say it might be the roads.


Last time i repaired a windscreen was last year to my previosu car i used this :

rock chip dissapeared completely , was very impressed with it . Even i had to go looking for it to find it afterwards .

Now for the Gren and because i cannot leave good enought alone i got this :

Full discolusre i did not test the latter one , my rock chip decided it did not want to wait the 3 miles to the house where the repair kit was sitting in the psotbox and extended all the way to the end of the glass . So have no ide how good it is .
What i can say is the first one worked as described .

Hope this helps .
I've used the Rainx one previously as well. Had it work twice. Can get on ebay;

 
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Why is everyone going on about ‘the upright design’ like that’s a particular problem? If theybreak easily then the glass is not the right specification, but upright? What, like every defender for 60 years, toyota 70 and prior, not to mention every bus, truck, transit, hiace, vans galore…
lets just focus on Ineos putting adequate glass on the car. If it isn’t, they should up the spec, and we can ask that they attend to that.
I cannot believe that the air moved aside by slightly sloped windshield is strong enough to deflect a rock from hitting the glass. I think the comments suggesting that the glass itself is not thick/rugged enough the more upright configuration are closest to the correct answer. Note that in military vehicles, bulletproof glass is often tilted so that a projectile hits at an angle, not perpendicular to the surface. Same with tank armor. But as other commentators point out, the older Defenders and Land Rover did not seem to have problems with their windshield getting cracked often. The glass appears to be not rugged enough for its purpose.
 

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That sounds rough. If it’s any consolation.

I picked up my new to me lr4/disco 4. 15 miles into the 25 mile drive home a rock fell off the back of a truck, bounced onto the leading edge of bonnet, struck the windscreen and bounced off the roof.

Getting home the bonnet was just a bit scuffed, that polished out. The windscreen had a tiny chip after I cleaned things up. Sorted with the vacuum gel stuff next day by the insurance. Had a quick look at the roof and all was good. Following week 3 foot spider web crack in the moonroof above the third row.

Glad the Grenadier doesn’t have that option at least.

On a side note I think gorilla glass is standard on wranglers now, if you really want to hear tails of woe, look at some of the Jeep forums.

It won’t take long for the pattern guys to start manufacturing a replacement. The insurance companies are politely requiring now I imagine. Any chip and I’d hit it with the gell as soon as possible. It’s great stuff.
 

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I think that back in days of old when our roads were crawling with Series Land Rovers & Defenders, nobody was driving fast enough to throw a suitably large stone high enough to hit a Land Rover screen! It used to be cracked and broken headlight lenses.
Nowadays everyone is hurtling around in big heavy vehicles (Grenadiers included) with deep grooved tyres; ripe for picking up bigger stones and fast enough to throw them harder.

It’s also the luck of the draw where you get hit. An inch to the right could’ve been enough to allow the screen to flex a bit and bounce the stone off. I’ve been struck in the middle of the screen (7.5ton lorry) by a fully grown cock pheasant at a probable combined speed of 80mph+. The screen visibly flexed and rippled upon impact and the pheasant bounced off, stone dead.
 

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Update on my protracted windscreen saga with my insurers (who shall remain nameless….. (in a naval senior officer way).
My replacement Grenadier windscreen and top seal is being delivered and fitted next Tuesday after my insurers finally instructed their contracted fitters (Nationwide Windscreens) that they could purchase an original fitment windscreen from an Authorised Ineos supplier (I’d already ordered the screen and seal on the strength that there are (as of yet) no aftermarket screens available).
It took my insurers nearly two weeks of fruitless searching for what does not exist.


Fortunately, my screen is only cracked, and although the crack is creeping across, it’s not yet obscuring my line of sight.

I’d be interested to know when the aftermarket screen manufacturers finally release a Grenadier replacement, and even more interested to see if theirs is going to be a little thicker than OE fitment.
One thing’s for sure; it should be a lot cheaper!

My Ineos supplier wanted £1,200+ VAT to supply and fit the new screen, including the top rubber strip/seal that the specialist screen company they use recommended be replaced at the same time.
Granted they have a business to run, so a reasonable mark up will have been put on top, but even by today’s standards, £1,500’s a lot of money.

The upside is that my rear wheel cover and folding picnic table will arrive with the windscreen.
So a big thanks to Tom at Nationwide Windscreens for offering to pick it up with the replacement screen.
 

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Update on my protracted windscreen saga with my insurers (who shall remain nameless….. (in a naval senior officer way).
My replacement Grenadier windscreen and top seal is being delivered and fitted next Tuesday after my insurers finally instructed their contracted fitters (Nationwide Windscreens) that they could purchase an original fitment windscreen from an Authorised Ineos supplier (I’d already ordered the screen and seal on the strength that there are (as of yet) no aftermarket screens available).
It took my insurers nearly two weeks of fruitless searching for what does not exist.


Fortunately, my screen is only cracked, and although the crack is creeping across, it’s not yet obscuring my line of sight.

I’d be interested to know when the aftermarket screen manufacturers finally release a Grenadier replacement, and even more interested to see if theirs is going to be a little thicker than OE fitment.
One thing’s for sure; it should be a lot cheaper!

My Ineos supplier wanted £1,200+ VAT to supply and fit the new screen, including the top rubber strip/seal that the specialist screen company they use recommended be replaced at the same time.
Granted they have a business to run, so a reasonable mark up will have been put on top, but even by today’s standards, £1,500’s a lot of money.

The upside is that my rear wheel cover and folding picnic table will arrive with the windscreen.
So a big thanks to Tom at Nationwide Windscreens for offering to pick it up with the replacement screen.
My man i am sorry you had to go through that hassle . In my case I did not want autoglass to fit mine and went straight to the dealer . NFU happy to pick up the bill with no complains . Just waiting for the glass now .
 

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My man i am sorry you had to go through that hassle . In my case I did not want autoglass to fit mine and went straight to the dealer . NFU happy to pick up the bill with no complains . Just waiting for the glass now .
That’s good to hear that NFU so forward thinking.
How long has it been since putting your claim in, and how much excess did you have to pay?
Definitely going to shop around when renewal comes up as I fear I’ve been with the same insurer for too long.
Loyalty ain’t what it used to be…..
 

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That’s good to hear that NFU so forward thinking.
How long has it been since putting your claim in, and how much excess did you have to pay?
Definitely going to shop around when renewal comes up as I fear I’ve been with the same insurer for too long.
Loyalty ain’t what it used to be…..
Excess with autoglass was 95 , excess with whoever i decide 115 . I called up my
Local NFU office and spoke to the same person who i did the policy with and asked the question over the phone and confirmed on the spot that its fine . This was i think 10 days ago give or take .
 
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