So, knowing what you know, would you buy it again?

[CRH]

No,

5 hour return trip to nearest agent.

Too many warranty issues to count, car is 2 years old and spent about 4-5 months at the agent in that time.

Agent is difficult to deal with, although I am starting to get some positive cadence. Skills of INEOS trained techs are questionable. Vehicle always leaves with additional issues caused by techs.

Comms and support from INEOS for early adopters are severely lacking.

Australian Fan Boi's from Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane where local agents are supportive and in close proximity will of course disagree.

I couldn't cope with a perfect vehicle and the best dealership if it was a 5 hour round trip. Don't know if you had or were promised a local one, mine is 1hr round trip and I've had a fair few return trips but can live with the distance and I did expect problems, so my love of the vehicle has not been harmed.
I have had a 2 trips to a dealer that was near 5hr round trip to get some things done the local one wasn't offering. I saw it more as traveling to specialist which is acceptable but not for regular work and small jobs, I would have got rid of it i think.

 

[Tom Ireland]

As I have previously posted I have a grenadier since last May. I use it daily towing heavy trailers and there is nothing else like it available for sale in Ireland.
In Europe, for the last 10-15 years, most 4x4s have become more SUV than true 4x4s. I have 30,000 km of hard towing up since last May. The grenadier is so stable and it is truly effortless to drive. (once you get used to the steering, which I wouldn't change now)
It is that good that I have ordered another one from our amazing dealer Orange Works Automotive.
It is a 2 seater commercial in Scottish White. We are due to collect it towards the end of next week.
I am aware that there may be an issue at some point with the front CV. As I have a 5 year warranty which will see me to well over 200,000km, this doesn't concern me. Usually CV's make a racket before failing. Should one fail, I am sure Ineos will have sorted out the issue. In the big picture, it is a very small potential fault in an otherwise amazing work vehicle.

Tom

 

[Bad Naughty Zoot]

I think it would be interesting to do a survey asking this yes or no question about would you buy again but in addition ask the following questions:
Prior to purchasing the Grenadier where you already an avid offroader?
Was your previous vehicle prior to the grenadier a luxury SUV (Range Rover, G Wagon, etc)?
Was your previous vehicle prior to the grenadier a common offroading type vehicle (Jeep, tacoma, 4 Runner, etc)?

I think correlating those answers with the first question of would you buy a grenadier again would provide significant insight.
Based on what I see in forums & Grenadier Facebook groups, I get a strong correlation that those that are new to this type of vehicle or offroading don't like it & sell it, wouldn't buy it again, & complain the most. While those who are regular offroaders view this as a dream vehicle with minor quirks. I think many who were previously in the luxury market bought one because it was the newest expensive vehicle to be had but in reality it would never be a vehicle they liked.

 

[CRH]

I think it would be interesting to do a survey asking this yes or no question about would you buy again but in addition ask the following questions:
Prior to purchasing the Grenadier where you already an avid offroader?
Was your previous vehicle prior to the grenadier a luxury SUV (Range Rover, G Wagon, etc)?
Was your previous vehicle prior to the grenadier a common offroading type vehicle (Jeep, tacoma, 4 Runner, etc)?

I think correlating those answers with the first question of would you buy a grenadier again would provide significant insight.
Based on what I see in forums & Grenadier Facebook groups, I get a strong correlation that those that are new to this type of vehicle or offroading don't like it & sell it, wouldn't buy it again, & complain the most. While those who are regular offroaders view this as a dream vehicle with minor quirks. I think many who were previously in the luxury market bought one because it was the newest expensive vehicle to be had but in reality it would never be a vehicle they liked.

Had a Freelander 2 for over 9 years and 120,000 miles, swapped for the Grenadier and would buy again. No problems with the driving style to the Freelander, totally different but easilyadapted. Also have an Abarth 595c for short trips. Grenadier is for long (UK) distance/motorway driving, and very, very occasional green lanes.

 

[MattA]

Could be just me and my thought processes but it have no clue and can not comprehend why on earth anyone who wasn’t into 4wding and or remote dirt road touring would even consider buying a Grenadier
Maybe just the poser look at me crowd

 

[HereinDaRockies]

Could be just me and my thought processes but it have no clue and can not comprehend why on earth anyone who wasn’t into 4wding and or remote dirt road touring would even consider buying a Grenadier
Maybe just the poser look at me crowd

There are plenty customers who want that look and vibe.

People buy 911 turbos or other high powered sport cars, who will never track them.

How is this hard to empathize?

 

[Zimm]

I think it would be interesting to do a survey asking this yes or no question about would you buy again but in addition ask the following questions:
Prior to purchasing the Grenadier where you already an avid offroader?
Was your previous vehicle prior to the grenadier a luxury SUV (Range Rover, G Wagon, etc)?
Was your previous vehicle prior to the grenadier a common offroading type vehicle (Jeep, tacoma, 4 Runner, etc)?

I think correlating those answers with the first question of would you buy a grenadier again would provide significant insight.
Based on what I see in forums & Grenadier Facebook groups, I get a strong correlation that those that are new to this type of vehicle or offroading don't like it & sell it, wouldn't buy it again, & complain the most. While those who are regular offroaders view this as a dream vehicle with minor quirks. I think many who were previously in the luxury market bought one because it was the newest expensive vehicle to be had but in reality it would never be a vehicle they liked.

Or, people with extensive experience get more irritated by the unforced errors, like the front end of the drivetrains design limiting alterations, and not providing a true neutral tow ability.

 

[Dokatd]

I think it would be interesting to do a survey asking this yes or no question about would you buy again but in addition ask the following questions:
Prior to purchasing the Grenadier where you already an avid offroader?
Was your previous vehicle prior to the grenadier a luxury SUV (Range Rover, G Wagon, etc)?
Was your previous vehicle prior to the grenadier a common offroading type vehicle (Jeep, tacoma, 4 Runner, etc)?

I think correlating those answers with the first question of would you buy a grenadier again would provide significant insight.
Based on what I see in forums & Grenadier Facebook groups, I get a strong correlation that those that are new to this type of vehicle or offroading don't like it & sell it, wouldn't buy it again, & complain the most. While those who are regular offroaders view this as a dream vehicle with minor quirks. I think many who were previously in the luxury market bought one because it was the newest expensive vehicle to be had but in reality it would never be a vehicle they liked.

I think you will find less correlation than you think. And honestly I have found that more newbs blindly enjoy their Grenadier than seasoned veterans. The complaining part just comes down to personality. I personally just don't care if people think I am complaining needlessly. I promote telling the truth and saying how it is. Burying our heads in the sand won't improve our existing trucks nor will it push Ineos to improve new builds.

So, I can say with exceedingly great confidence that I have more experience than most and I have a very strong love hate relationship with my Grenadier. I just don't care if people think I'm complaining. Especially when I am directly working to resolve grievances that both I and most others have with the product.

 

[shakesc]

Here goes

Prior to purchasing the Grenadier where you already an avid offroader? - No
Was your previous vehicle prior to the grenadier a luxury SUV (Range Rover, G Wagon, etc)? - No (it was a Mach-E , very "digital", Porsches before)
Was your previous vehicle prior to the grenadier a common offroading type vehicle (Jeep, tacoma, 4 Runner, etc)? - No

So all in all I just dont fit the buyer profile
I did have LR 110 in the distant past with the old 2.5 non-turbo - glacial progress is the polite view
but since buying I have towed, greenlaned , overlanded. It fits my needs at the moment

Oh, I have been a development engineer for a number of OEMs including LR - my view of Grenadiers rough edges are they could be a lot worse

 

[LabRat]

I think you will find less correlation than you think. And honestly I have found that more newbs blindly enjoy their Grenadier than seasoned veterans. The complaining part just comes down to personality. I personally just don't care if people think I am complaining needlessly. I promote telling the truth and saying how it is. Burying our heads in the sand won't improve our existing trucks nor will it push Ineos to improve new builds.

So, I can say with exceedingly great confidence that I have more experience than most and I have a very strong love hate relationship with my Grenadier. I just don't care if people think I'm complaining. Especially when I am directly working to resolve grievances that both I and most others have with the product.

Damn, do you have trouble finding hats that fit?

 

[Max]

And likes

 

[Dokatd]

Damn, do you have trouble finding hats that fit?

Actually I do. Comes with being 6'5".

 

[Guru]

Could be just me and my thought processes but it have no clue and can not comprehend why on earth anyone who wasn’t into 4wding and or remote dirt road touring would even consider buying a Grenadier
Maybe just the poser look at me crowd

Thanks Mate for lumping us NON 4wding/remote dirt road drivers into posers & look at me…
My main use for our awesome Grenadier is as a commercial vehicle and towing…. So very little 4x4 use or dirt roads.

This is coming from someone who lived in Alice & worked in the real outback also lived in PNG with various Landys. One of which we had to cut the chassis up into parts, fly into an extremely remote area then weld back together. I still have the scars.

So I guess that makes me a “Proud Poser” for not using it as YOU deem fit.

I think it’s bloody great that NON “MattA approved” people are buying them. It helps the Brand & longevity of Ineos.

 

[Dokatd]

Thanks Mate for lumping us non 4wding/remote dirt road drivers into posers & look at me…
My main use for our awesome Grenadier is as a commercial vehicle and towing…. So very little 4x4 use or dirt roads.

This is coming from someone who lived in Alice & worked in the real outback also lived in PNG with various Landys. One of which we had to cut the chassis up into parts, fly into an extremely remote area then weld back together. I still have the scars.

So I guess that makes me a “Proud Poser” for not using it as YOU deem fit.

Honestly I think your use is almost, in a way, more fitting. How many D90's really saw hard 4wheeling? And how many were used as commercial vehicles toting tools and equipment from job to job? The Defender and now possibly the Grenadier are a working man's vehicle in my view. It just so happens they can 4wheel reasonably well without modification.

And considering the height of a stock Grenadier, they just weren't built as much for heavy wheeling as they were for heavy work. I even think they make superb mall crawlers for sophisticants to do the dirty work in while their Aston sits in the driveway. Minus its handful of major flaws, the Grenadier really fits a ton of lifestyles except maybe the high speed road warrior. The concept is most certainly all encompassing and dare I say inclusive to everyone.

 

[CRH]

Could be just me and my thought processes but it have no clue and can not comprehend why on earth anyone who wasn’t into 4wding and or remote dirt road touring would even consider buying a Grenadier
Maybe just the poser look at me crowd

I, nor anyone i know would put me in a poser category.
I may not use it much in the way you think I should but I had my reasoning. It was between the previous UK Landcruiser and this. I wanted something that was going to last well past the cut off for fuel powered vehicles in the UK. I have an early one to avoid annoying bongs for speed and lane keeping.
I do alsi use it for lugging stuff that I wouldn't want to put in a nice SUV. My green lane activity in the UK is nothing strenuous that my Freelander couldn't have done or may have got stuck on ground clearance.
Plus, UK back roads are destroying cars over here so that was another benefit.

 

[Tom Ireland]

Could be just me and my thought processes but it have no clue and can not comprehend why on earth anyone who wasn’t into 4wding and or remote dirt road touring would even consider buying a Grenadier
Maybe just the poser look at me crowd

I think it might be just you.
Think outside the box and consider those who tow heavy trailers on a regular basis for work.
Or mountain rescue teams
Or utility companies
Or defense forces
Or those who want a very well built vehicle which has the mechanical credentials to last a long time.