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So, knowing what you know, would you buy it again?

Over two years ownership of a very early model with VIN 193 !
Shitake has had multiple issues including replacement T case, door seals, rear differential seal, engine vibrations, door handles, leaking cabin air filter. And now we still get software glitches and warnings but…🤣
ALL fixed by a distant but very supportive dealer at the far side of the world which is super positive for future support.
I absolutely love the vehicle and it really suits our needs. Love adding stuff and look forward to many messy adventures ahead! 😁
Would definitely get another one but almost certainly with safari windows.
Having said all that I can fully understand the other side of the coin that others have expressed as I’ve been there too!
 
I guess I didn’t answer, but, yes.

We bought a place this summer up in the mountains and the guy who does the driveway plowing says it’s the third hardest driveway to plow in grand County, at 8600 feet up.

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That is a tough question. Ask me on one day of the week and it would be an emphatic yes. Ask me again on a different day, and it would be no.

Structurally superb. Not much else like it. Over-engineered for use in the UK, and I like that. However, little niggles can get to you on certain days. For example, -6c and the car isn't blowing any heat to the footwell on auto. Change it to manual to warm your legs up, and the screen starts misting up. Put it back on auto, and it starts blowing cold air into the middle of the windscreen. Enough to make it mist up and freeze it on the outside, and a crack to appear. I currently have an annoying rattle in the back when going over bumps. I cannot identify the source. It sounds like the door is moving on the latch but there is no movement in the latch or the door. If I push the driver's chair back as far as it can go, it squeaks. If I am one notch or more in, no squeak. I have to drive one notch in as the squeak is off-putting but it pushes me closer to the footwell lump.

Some of it is dealer frustration. e.g. HVAC condensation dripping despite the dealer saying they put the sleeve on it but it still drips (they put it on the nearest pipe, but the dripping comes from a pipe further back). Or the seals on the door delaminating and they were told they were done, only to get back home to find they were not. Rear parking sensors that didn't come on properly or would come on when nothing was behind me. I was told they were fixed but now they don't seem to take into account that you have a spare wheel on the back. My issue with a clicking HVAC when running hot under load was sent to Ineos earlier in the year but staff changes at the dealer means it was forgotten, and apparently, Ineos's system only deals with named people. When those people leave, no-one else can see what was going on. So, the whole thing needs to be sent again.

I want a quartermaster but when I was at the dealer earlier in the year for the failed heating fix, it turned out one of the dealer's test QMs had the same fault.
When I was at the dealer last week, someone with a MY23 was in, and I was listening to their list of issues, which was like forum bingo on known problems. I felt bad that I only had 4 or so issues compared to the 20-odd he had.

I would probably be more inclined to wait until they sort the niggles out with some quality control before buying another
 
Yes, no issues. I think survey would be perfect. Also it's interesting the difference of answers based upon ownership location.
 
Tom D said:
In a heartbeat.

Regarding IA's long term future I saw in interview with Jim Ratcliffe last week, he said that both the chemicals division and the other Division have a huge cash buffer £2Bn each IIRC. So there's no reason for anything to go under any time soon.
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Can you share link?
 
HereinDaRockies said:
Can you share link?
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Here is an overview of, not exactly the rosy picture some paint
Ineos' recent financial results show a significant decline in profitability, with key subsidiaries like Ineos Quattro experiencing substantial losses and higher debt levels. The group's profit before tax plunged by $1.87bn in 2023, and some subsidiaries have seen their earnings dramatically reduced, leading credit rating agencies like Moody's and Fitch to issue negative outlooks due to concerns about high leverage, economic headwinds, and trade tensions.
Key financial highlights
Group-level profit decline: Ineos Group's profit before tax dropped to €407.8 million in 2023, a significant decrease from €2.28 billion in 2022.
Ineos Quattro losses: This subsidiary reported a loss of €819 million in 2024, compared to a profit in previous years, and its debt increased by nearly half a billion euros to reach almost €7.7 billion. In 2023, it had already recorded a loss of €203.1 million.
Increased debt: Across the group, debt levels are a major concern. Fitch estimated that the Ineos Group's debt could climb to almost €12 billion in 2025, and Moody's noted "substantial indebtedness".
Credit rating downgrades: Credit rating agencies have raised red flags, with Moody's downgrading its outlook for the business and Fitch revising Ineos Group's outlook to Negative, citing high leverage and uncertainty.
Factors affecting financial performance
Economic slowdown: Weaker global economic growth has led to lower demand for petrochemicals, affecting Ineos' core business.
Trade barriers: International trade tensions, including potential tariffs, have put additional pressure on the company's performance.
Oversupplied markets: In the case of INEOS Quattro, the company's value chains remain oversupplied, which, combined with disappointing demand and trade tensions, has hurt its performance.
High leverage: The company's high debt-to-earnings ratio is a significant point of concern for rating agencies.
Chemicals, cars, Man Utd: has Jim Ratcliffe's Ineos got the formula wrong?
14 Feb 2025 — The change in fortunes has decimated earnings at the largest Ineos companies. The most recent accounts from Ineos Group, its Luxembourg-based busines...
 
MattA said:
Here is an overview of, not exactly the rosy picture some paint
Ineos' recent financial results show a significant decline in profitability, with key subsidiaries like Ineos Quattro experiencing substantial losses and higher debt levels. The group's profit before tax plunged by $1.87bn in 2023, and some subsidiaries have seen their earnings dramatically reduced, leading credit rating agencies like Moody's and Fitch to issue negative outlooks due to concerns about high leverage, economic headwinds, and trade tensions.
Key financial highlights
Group-level profit decline: Ineos Group's profit before tax dropped to €407.8 million in 2023, a significant decrease from €2.28 billion in 2022.
Ineos Quattro losses: This subsidiary reported a loss of €819 million in 2024, compared to a profit in previous years, and its debt increased by nearly half a billion euros to reach almost €7.7 billion. In 2023, it had already recorded a loss of €203.1 million.
Increased debt: Across the group, debt levels are a major concern. Fitch estimated that the Ineos Group's debt could climb to almost €12 billion in 2025, and Moody's noted "substantial indebtedness".
Credit rating downgrades: Credit rating agencies have raised red flags, with Moody's downgrading its outlook for the business and Fitch revising Ineos Group's outlook to Negative, citing high leverage and uncertainty.
Factors affecting financial performance
Economic slowdown: Weaker global economic growth has led to lower demand for petrochemicals, affecting Ineos' core business.
Trade barriers: International trade tensions, including potential tariffs, have put additional pressure on the company's performance.
Oversupplied markets: In the case of INEOS Quattro, the company's value chains remain oversupplied, which, combined with disappointing demand and trade tensions, has hurt its performance.
High leverage: The company's high debt-to-earnings ratio is a significant point of concern for rating agencies.
Chemicals, cars, Man Utd: has Jim Ratcliffe's Ineos got the formula wrong?
14 Feb 2025 — The change in fortunes has decimated earnings at the largest Ineos companies. The most recent accounts from Ineos Group, its Luxembourg-based busines...
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lol that’s a terrible summary. Why was @Tom D so upbeat on this article?
 
I’m 80-90% that yes I would. Coming from solid axle vehicles (80-series Land Cruiser and a Cummins Dodge pickup) I expected a solid, truck/like ride, so I wasn’t surprised. When it comes time to replace shocks and tires (I bought a Trialmaster so it came with the BFGs) I’ll put better shocks and quieter tires with better wet and snow performance and it will ride even better. I’ve averaged 15.9 mpg (US) since new which is better than my 80-series, 100-series and about on par with my Cummins, so I’m pleasantly surprised on the fuel economy front.

Like others, I’ve had a few issues over the 15 months and 17k+ miles of ownership, but my dealer has been fairly good, mostly fixing the issues the first time. Currently I have a suspension clunk when maneuvering around parking lots that is hard to replicate and I can’t seem to find where it’s coming from. The HVAC isn’t the best, but after 2 visits to the dealer, it’s now acceptable, I just need to be patient when changing the temperature or flow pattern.

All in all, I love looking at it, sitting in it, tinkering on it, driving it, planning my next trip off pavement and talking about it with or showing it to others. The fact that we can order up the exact spec vehicle with only the options we want and none we don’t want (Toyota………) is amazing. It makes the ownership experience so much more personal than just buying one off the lot or picking up a used one. Im sure people with those will enjoy many miles and smiles, but it’s fun knowing the truck I own was made for me☺️.
 
I would buy another even with the uncertainty of Ineos Automotives future. I've been one of the lucky ones who have had no major issues (touch wood)
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