ChasingOurTrunks said:A non-engined cabin heater is almost unheard of in my part of the world, and we know cold (Canada - it's -30 Celsius outside my window right now).
It's not to say one wouldn't be useful, but I do think they are offering heated seats and perhaps a heated steering wheel. Between those features, and a Command Start function which can easily be added factory or aftermarket, a person has all they really need to make a cabin perfectly comfortable. The command start has the added bonus of warming up the drivetrain, which is much better on the longevity of the machine too. A command start likely uses more fuel than a dedicated diesel heater, but it's for a very short period of time (my current vehicle maxes out at 20 minutes of idling).
In order to reduce difficulty with cold starts, we use two other products - one of which is a legally required factory option, the other aftermarket. A block heater means that we can plug our vehicles into our houses and a small electrical element heats up the engine block to make cold starts much easier. You cannot legally buy a new car in my province without one. The second product is a battery blanket - essentially, this is a heated blanket that wraps around the battery. Both of these can go to the same plug so just one plug-in and cold starts are very easy, even in extreme cold.
And all that being said - My truck starts up just fine even in -30 to -40 Celsius without being plugged in. Most modern vehicles do. The diesel is an interesting case but I have to assume it will come with glow plugs for cold weather starts (it won't be available in North America so I've not thought much about it).
- For comfort, heated seats and steering wheel are superior to a forced air heater and probably good enough.
- If one wants a forced air heater, you might as well run the engine and heat up the entire vehicle to operating temps.
- There are plenty of cold weather assistance products for folks who need them that are "nice to haves".
stickshifter said:I also live somewhere cold. Its -20 to -28 Fahrenheit (equivalent to -29 to -33 Celsius) most mornings for about three months - see photo below from our outdoor/indoor thermometer. In one of the videos I watched they said the Grenadier would not be coming with "unnecessary" things like a heated steering wheel. The video was from Australia - which might explain the notion that a heated steering wheel is an unnecessary luxury ?
I emailed Ineos to ask that a heated steering wheel be an option in the Grenadier. If this is important to you - you should do the same!
ChasingOurTrunks said:I didn't realize they had nixed the steering wheel - the seats are for sure an option I remember seeing and I may have actually just assumed they'd throw in the wheel too as now that I think of it, I don't actually know where I heard that this was an option. Honestly, I don't REALLY need one - in the temps that you and I live in, gloves are not an option, they are a requirement -- so the heated steering wheel is of limited usefulness relative to the seats in terms of "feeling" warm in the cabin.
But...safari windows in the roof are unnecessary too. My grenadier will have them though! I think the only thing better than a saddle leather steering wheel is a heated saddle leather steering wheel!
stickshifter said:Aaargh! My fingers were freezing this morning after scraping off the truck, and they seemed to get colder as I drove. I was worried that I wouldn't be able to ski - talk about first world problems! Apparently I'm not 25-years old anymore... If the Grenadier doesn't come with a heated steering wheel I'm going to see what I can find in the aftermarket, or I'll wrap the wheel with a wire direct from the battery and hope for the best ?
aylestage said:I have been in the grenadier on an off road tour here in the UK, the one I was in had heated front seats, independently switched from the front console. I am not sure the back ones were heated, and I am reasonably sure the steering wheel was not heated. Whether there will be an option I don't know.
I haven't come across any vehicles here in the UK that you can plug into your electric supply and it runs a block heater. Quite a good idea providing you have electric where you park up. My old Land rover discovery 4 had a diesel heater which for me was a better option as you could use it where ever you were. I think it was an Eberspacher but i am not certain.
Some lorries/trucks/HGV's here in the UK are fitted with night heaters, but as far as i know they are all diesel powered ones, and they are designed to keep the driver warm at night when he/she is using the sleeper cabin. I dont think they heat the engine as well.... but I might wrong!
ChasingOurTrunks said:Cold starts in Diesels are another thing entirely - there are stories of truckers in Russia on the Road of Bones lighting fires under their side-mounted diesel tanks overnight to keep the diesel fuel liquid (at extreme cold temps it gels). I have to wonder how many trucks have burnt because of that practice but you do what you gotta do I guess!
stickshifter said:Ohhh, not just in Russia! When I hitch-hiked across Tibet back in 1995, we lit a fire underneath the engine of our big diesel every morning! ?
I'd post photos but they are all in slide format, not digital. A quote I just found online: "We’ve all seen photo slides in our grandparents’ houses or in school classrooms." Ouch, that hurts.
ChasingOurTrunks said:What's a slide?
Kidding - my dad has a bunch of photos on slides but I'm one of the earliest Millennials (mid-80s birthday) so I got to live through the death of film and the rise of digital before I could afford cameras. Also a few years back we got him a digitizer that will automatically scan slides - well worth it to save those photos, and I'd bet the same applies to you as hitchhiking through Tibet sounds incredible - what an amazing experience. I'd love to hear more about it, and you just gave me an idea for a new OT thread!
stickshifter said:I've been meaning to digitize the slides, but there are so many. I worked and traveled in Asia for two years in the mid-1990s, and shot about 100 rolls of film (about 35 photos per roll). Then I was back for another year in 2001-2002, again shooting slides.
Just one story (the short version): I was with my girlfriend in Kashmir on 9/11. After word got out, various militant groups took to the streets. We got out of town, and headed up to climb Nun, figuring it was safer above 5,000 meters than on the streets of Kargil (site of war between India and Pakistan in 1999). To avoid the roads, we ended up trekking from Nun to Leh (capital of Ladakh), which is a predominantly Buddhist region, and then by air to Nepal. Lots of adventures...
A view of Nun from the air (thanks to Wikipedia):
ChasingOurTrunks said:Very cool experience. That would have been a scary time to be away from home for a lot of reasons but that's a good place to be "away" in based on the photos! The added dynamic of geopolitics always makes for unpredictable adventures; I spent some time in the Middle East around when the Iraq war was getting going. Lots of smuggling and nervous people at checkpoints, that's for sure, that culminated in a bit of a shouting match and gun-pointing by the Jordanian army as they thought I was a suicide bomber at one particular checkpoint on my way to Petra. After nearly pissing myself and just saying "I'm sorry, I'm a Canadian" about a hundred times with my hands sticking out the window of my rental car, they calmed down and realized I wasn't a bomber, just a moron, and they invited me in for tea ? -- Mid-30s me looks back on 19-year old me and sometimes says "Huh....You could have made better choices that time!"
Its hard being abroad at a time of national tragedy. And that sounds like really unfortunate wording and tone from the BBC. I would guess that they were referring to the relative lack terrorist attacks in the U.S. (i.e. on American soil) from foreign-based organizations (i.e. non-domestic terrorist groups) compared to what many European countries had experienced. Which would have been an accurate observation at the time, but it sure doesn't sound good.AZGrenadier said:We were on our honeymoon in Germany over 9/11. Things definitely changed from one day to the next. So much more military and passport checking after. Crazy thing was BBC was reporting "about time something like this happened in America". Very surreal.