Petrol/Gas US Oil for B58 Engines

[anand]

Edit: Disregard my post, LL-12FE+ is a BMW supersession for LL04 in their BMW Branded TurboPower oils

 

[Tom109]

Anyone know the specific differences between LL01/LL04 and LL12FE+?

@Jayman1 I can understand going with a heavier oil, but why go with one that doesn't meet any of the (confusingly several) BMW specs that are mentioned for the B58?

See Post #18

Or were you asking for oil-specific spec’s?

 

[anand]

See Post #18

Or were you asking for oil-specific spec’s?

Disregard, I did further Googling and found that LL-12FE+ is the supersession of BMW branded LL-04; I hadn't seen it mentioned in the thread yet

 

[bikesandguitars]

I’ve been fortunate enough to push a few vehicles to the high 200K miles - and I’ve lost a couple before 100K too. I’m a firm believer in synthetic oils AND not changing brands or viscosity unless you’re drastically changing the demands you’re putting on the vehicle. I have no scientific data. Just superstitious.

 

[LWA55DAL]

This wasn’t mentioned yet so going to share with the group as I just completed my break-in oil change yesterday (2.2k mls) - Liqui Moly 6600 0w-20 is fully compliant and BMW approved for use in the B58. I don’t want to get into the oil weight debate (20/30/40/50), but this is the exact oil spec and I have used their oil in many cars for years with great results on new to very high mileage vehicles. We all have a GPF so you can’t really use some of the other specs in the long run.

Top Tec 6600 SAE 0W-20

Fully synthetic superior low friction motor oil. The low viscosity ensures excellent cold start behavior, improves engine efficiency and reduces fuel consumption. The innovative additive technology ensures excellent protection against wear, superb engine cleanness and greater oxidation...

www.liqui-moly.com

 

[FlyingTexan]

After looking at the specifications, the LL17FE+ is super low viscosity and lighter than I want to use. I would prefer a higher viscosity to improve engine life, such as the BMW LL04 or LL01 spec oils.

The Ineos B58 particulate filter calls for a low SAPS (sulfated ash, phosphorus, sulfur) oil. This is BMW LL04 spec, designed to prevent degradation of particulate filters.

If you want better wear protection you could go with BMW LL01 spec which contains more SAPS antiwear additives. I understand there is a chance this could accelerate degradation of the CAT or particulate filter, but I cannot comment on that directly.

You have that backwards the LL04 has better protection and had cat issues but that was when US fuels has higher sulfur rates vs the Euro matched sulfur rates they do now.

 

[FlyingTexan]

This wasn’t mentioned yet so going to share with the group as I just completed my break-in oil change yesterday (2.2k mls) - Liqui Moly 6600 0w-20 is fully compliant and BMW approved for use in the B58. I don’t want to get into the oil weight debate (20/30/40/50), but this is the exact oil spec and I have used their oil in many cars for years with great results on new to very high mileage vehicles. We all have a GPF so you can’t really use some of the other specs in the long run.

Top Tec 6600 SAE 0W-20

Fully synthetic superior low friction motor oil. The low viscosity ensures excellent cold start behavior, improves engine efficiency and reduces fuel consumption. The innovative additive technology ensures excellent protection against wear, superb engine cleanness and greater oxidation...

www.liqui-moly.com

LM is a mid-tier oil. Spends more money on advertising. That oil appears to have a rather low TBN and high sodium content based on this thread and confirms other reports I’ve read.

Liqui Moly Top Tec 6600 0W-20 (BMW LL-17 FE+) | 7,540 miles | 2019 BMW X3 | High Sodium??

This may be the first UOA of Liqui Moly Top Tec 6600 0W-20, which is a BMW Longlife-17 FE+ oil. The previous UOA was performed on the oil that was in the vehicle when I purchased it. It either has 1k or 6k miles on it, depending on when it was last changed. I posted that UOA here previously...

bobistheoilguy.com

 

[Tom109]

You have that backwards the LL04 has better protection and had cat issues but that was when US fuels has higher sulfur rates vs the Euro matched sulfur rates they do now.

We're kinda on the same page and splitting hairs between those two oils, but that info came from a M1 engineer.

 

[Tinerfeño]

Just one general comment on the viscosity: The bearing clearances and oil viscosity are linked. New engines have both tighter clearances and thinner oil. If too thick oil is used oil pressure is good but oil flow will be reduced to a level that may cause damage. So thicker oil may not be good for the engine.

When engine wears it can be compensated with thicker oil. I recommend oil pressure gauge at least when mileage increases.