Resemblances

[Tazzieman]

Just to revisit the old chestnut that is "The Grenadier is just a Defender ripoff" blah blah...

From The Times newspaper 20th April 1948
"NEW VEHICLE FOR AGRICULTURE"
A special vehicle designed for agriculture and industrial work is to be made at the rate of 200 a week by the Rover Company in Birmingham.
Called the Land Rover, it bears a strong resemblance to the Jeep and is designed to be equally at home on main roads and cross-country"

And remembering JLRs failed case against Ineos , recently " a court has ruled Indian car-maker Mahindra is allowed to sell its copycat version of the Jeep Wrangler four-wheel-drive in the US."

Which when you excavate further reveals

"Mahindra & Mahindra was founded as a steel trading company on 2 October 1945
They eventually saw a business opportunity in expanding into manufacturing and selling larger MUVs and started assembling under licence of the Willys Jeep in India. Soon, M&M was established as the Jeep manufacturer in India, later commenced manufacturing light commercial vehicles (LCVs) and agricultural tractors. Jeep was bought by American Motors Corporation in 1970; Jeeps continued to be built by Mahindra under licence from AMC, and in turn under Chrysler after Chrysler bought AMC in 1987."

Make what you will of all of this!
My take away is that some lawyers get rich, and the other side's lawyers also get rich - but slightly less so

 

[Krabby]

And Jeep is the granddaddy of ‘em all.

 

[James]

And Jeep is the granddaddy of ‘em all.

Yes, it is.

And the Australian Snowy Mountains Scheme was the crucible that made the series Land Rovers tough. Rover sent engineers out to find out both why so many Series 1s were being ordered, and why they were breaking so many parts. Their engineers responded and the Series 2, and thence A quickly became the legends that lasted so long. And shook so many kidneys.

Hopefully the Grenadier carries those torches on, and we finally get the same ethos and capability in a better than WW2 technology and comfort package. It’s been a long wait

 

[DaveB]

Yes, it is.

And the Australian Snowy Mountains Scheme was the crucible that made the series Land Rovers tough. Rover sent engineers out to find out both why so many Series 1s were being ordered, and why they were breaking so many parts. Their engineers responded and the Series 2, and thence A quickly became the legends that lasted so long. And shook so many kidneys.

Hopefully the Grenadier carries those torches on, and we finally get the same ethos and capability in a better than WW2 technology and comfort package. It’s been a long wait

Not only Land Rovers
Snowy Mountain Scheme was also the introduction of the Landcruiser and the introduction of Toyota to Australia

An interesting video about it here.

Toyota In Australia

In 1958, Sir Leslie Thiess was the first person to import the Toyota LandCruiser to Australia. He put 13 of the cars to use on the Snowy Mountains Scheme, and over the next 20 years the 4WDs were used on a range of mining and construction projects, including the massive Mt Newman Mine in Western...

thiess.com

 

[James]

Not only Land Rovers
Snowy Mountain Scheme was also the introduction of the Landcruiser and the introduction of Toyota to Australia
View attachment 7821493
An interesting video about it here.

Toyota In Australia

In 1958, Sir Leslie Thiess was the first person to import the Toyota LandCruiser to Australia. He put 13 of the cars to use on the Snowy Mountains Scheme, and over the next 20 years the 4WDs were used on a range of mining and construction projects, including the massive Mt Newman Mine in Western...

thiess.com

I didnt know that, thanks Dave. Kind of nice that the 2 ‘backbone’ vehicles of the country go back to the same place. I really liked the early few iterations of the toyota; for me they lost some charm (although not capability) from the 70 onwards.

 

[AnD3rew]

And Jeep is the granddaddy of ‘em all.

Well technically Willys was the grandaddy, being the daddy of Jeep

 

[Krabby]

Well, if we want to be technical, it was the American Bantam Car Company that “invented” the Jeep.

 

[DaveB]

Well, if we want to be technical, it was the American Bantam Car Company that “invented” the Jeep.

And then got screwed out of the supply contract

 

[Tazzieman]

Well, if we want to be technical, it was the American Bantam Car Company that “invented” the Jeep.

Well that just calls for a "chicken or egg?" comment!

 

[Krabby]

And then got screwed out of the supply contract

And the next 80+ years of civilian sales!

 

[James]

Well that just calls for a "chicken or egg?" comment!

Ive never really got the chicken or egg conundrum; it’s easy - the egg.
dinosaurs were laying them for hundreds of millions of years before a sub-group became birds, and eventually chickens. Got to be one of the least threatening dinosaurs, the chicken. Although a coop of hungry isa browns can make short work of a naked shin…

 

[Tazzieman]

. Although a coop of hungry isa browns can make short work of a naked shin…

Mine threaten to tickle me to death. You have a zombie variant?

 

[James]

What was initially love began to turn a little as they got less frequent visits from kids. Never really aggression, but they began to associate visits with food being spread, and went straight for the shins of the feeder, a chicken-brain shorter route to protein than waiting for the feed to be distributed… definitely noticeable levels of pain though.
we’ve bee without chooks for a while now, considering a return as we eat a lot more eggs at the moment, but the excellent coop I built them is making an even better shed for gardening gear, so there’s that to consider…

 

[Steve.B]

Not only Land Rovers
Snowy Mountain Scheme was also the introduction of the Landcruiser and the introduction of Toyota to Australia
View attachment 7821493
An interesting video about it here.

Toyota In Australia

In 1958, Sir Leslie Thiess was the first person to import the Toyota LandCruiser to Australia. He put 13 of the cars to use on the Snowy Mountains Scheme, and over the next 20 years the 4WDs were used on a range of mining and construction projects, including the massive Mt Newman Mine in Western...

thiess.com

The 13 LandCruisers were donated, and driven around by supervisors on formed roads, the multitudes of Land Rovers did all the hard work as mentioned before in a different post, the Land Rovers had a stripped side rollover angle of 45 degrees vs 34 degrees for the Land Cruisers of the time, due to the Land Rovers heavy chassis and light aluminium upper.
The steep terrain made that stability not an option but a necessity.

 

[Steve.B]

And then got screwed out of the supply contract

What about Austin.

 

[Steve.B]

Just to revisit the old chestnut that is "The Grenadier is just a Defender ripoff" blah blah...

From The Times newspaper 20th April 1948
"NEW VEHICLE FOR AGRICULTURE"
A special vehicle designed for agriculture and industrial work is to be made at the rate of 200 a week by the Rover Company in Birmingham.
Called the Land Rover, it bears a strong resemblance to the Jeep and is designed to be equally at home on main roads and cross-country"

And remembering JLRs failed case against Ineos , recently " a court has ruled Indian car-maker Mahindra is allowed to sell its copycat version of the Jeep Wrangler four-wheel-drive in the US."

Which when you excavate further reveals

"Mahindra & Mahindra was founded as a steel trading company on 2 October 1945
They eventually saw a business opportunity in expanding into manufacturing and selling larger MUVs and started assembling under licence of the Willys Jeep in India. Soon, M&M was established as the Jeep manufacturer in India, later commenced manufacturing light commercial vehicles (LCVs) and agricultural tractors. Jeep was bought by American Motors Corporation in 1970; Jeeps continued to be built by Mahindra under licence from AMC, and in turn under Chrysler after Chrysler bought AMC in 1987."

Make what you will of all of this!
My take away is that some lawyers get rich, and the other side's lawyers also get rich - but slightly less so

But we owe all of it to Wilhelm Maybach, Gottlieb Daimler, and Carl Benz.

 

[Tazzieman]

But we owe all of it to Wilhelm Maybach, Gottlieb Daimler, and Carl Benz.

And to Jean Lenoir and Nicolaus Otto

 

[DaveB]

What about Austin.

Austin Champ was 1950's and from memory 8 forward and 8 reverse gears

A Brief History of the Austin Champ - Everything You Need To Know

Introduction: To Build a Better Jeep My first, and only, working experience with an Austin Champ was on a farm down in Australia where I was helping the The Austin Champ was all it was designed to be but turned out to be expensive, and not to have the absolute "bullet proof" reliability that had...

silodrome.com

 

[rovie]

Austin Champ was 1950's and from memory 8 forward and 8 reverse gears

A Brief History of the Austin Champ - Everything You Need To Know

Introduction: To Build a Better Jeep My first, and only, working experience with an Austin Champ was on a farm down in Australia where I was helping the The Austin Champ was all it was designed to be but turned out to be expensive, and not to have the absolute "bullet proof" reliability that had...

silodrome.com

Yes, but it was too expensive. Even then, Austin had to save money and launched the low-cost model Gipsy.

 

[Fab]

And what are MUV's?